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Wicker Man - General Discussion - Part Two
Matt N
TS Member
The lack of order is the one thing I’ve never liked about Wicker Man’s pre-show and whole pre-boarding process.
After the baggage hold, you’re all just rammed in that waiting area together. Everyone then tries to force their way into the room, which is far too cramped for the amount of people in there. And when the show ends, it’s a scrum with everyone trying to force their way through the tiny door and there not being nearly enough room in the station to hold everyone.
I think it would be better if it was ordered in some way; perhaps some sort of queue line layout through there, or even some numbered dots for people to stand on and file out of the room in that order, wouldn’t go amiss?
After the baggage hold, you’re all just rammed in that waiting area together. Everyone then tries to force their way into the room, which is far too cramped for the amount of people in there. And when the show ends, it’s a scrum with everyone trying to force their way through the tiny door and there not being nearly enough room in the station to hold everyone.
I think it would be better if it was ordered in some way; perhaps some sort of queue line layout through there, or even some numbered dots for people to stand on and file out of the room in that order, wouldn’t go amiss?
Just had four long years of reduced immunity...hopefully fine again now thank you.I think if you’re that concerned about easily transmissible diseases theme parks perhaps aren’t the best environment to be spending your leisure time!
Indoor cramped, poorly ventilated crowds are generally unhealthy...Outdoors is fine.
GooseOnTheLoose
TS Member
The same could be said for those who suffer when they are overly stimulated, but we make adaptions and accessibility concessions to ensure they can enjoy theme parks too. Nothing should prevent anyone from visiting and enjoying themselves, including the immune deficient.I think if you’re that concerned about easily transmissible diseases theme parks perhaps aren’t the best environment to be spending your leisure time!
Islander
TS Member
If you take this argument to its logical conclusion, how do you propose accommodating those with vertigo on coasters? Or those with claustrophobia or nyctophobia on dark rides?The same could be said for those who suffer when they are overly stimulated, but we make adaptions and accessibility concessions to ensure they can enjoy theme parks too. Nothing should prevent anyone from visiting and enjoying themselves, including the immune deficient.
Sadly, not everything everywhere will be accessible to everyone, and lines have to be drawn somewhere or else you remove experiences for the majority.
Bowser
TS Member
If you take this argument to its logical conclusion, how do you propose accommodating those with vertigo on coasters? Or those with claustrophobia or nyctophobia on dark rides?
Sadly, not everything everywhere will be accessible to everyone, and lines have to be drawn somewhere or else you remove experiences for the majority.
Yep. As a parent of a severely disabled child who loves theme parks, I greatly appreciate the efforts many parks make to enable us to even visit in the first place but equally I accept there are many experiences we simply will never be able to have.
In terms of Wickerman, we’ve never been refused skipping the pre-show though I recall others have so it would be good to have a consistent policy people can plan for.
But really even a park like AT with very few indoor attractions is full of cramped confined situations at times. And let’s not even get onto the bacteria a typical ride restraint must harbour…
GooseOnTheLoose
TS Member
I'm not discussing hypothetical extremities. Ensuring that a ride, or enclosed space, has adequate ventilation is a reasonable adjustment (as defined in the Equalities Act). In a similar vein to adjusting for those who have sensory issues triggered by the noise of hand dryers being able to use toilet facilities (dedicated disabled toilet where they wouldn't trigger a hand dryer, or toilets with other hand drying facilities).If you take this argument to its logical conclusion, how do you propose accommodating those with vertigo on coasters? Or those with claustrophobia or nyctophobia on dark rides?
Sadly, not everything everywhere will be accessible to everyone, and lines have to be drawn somewhere or else you remove experiences for the majority.
Islander
TS Member
Adequate ventilation is very different to “the preshow shouldn’t exist at all, and if it does shouldn’t be remotely crowded at all”I'm not discussing hypothetical extremities. Ensuring that a ride, or enclosed space, has adequate ventilation is a reasonable adjustment (as defined in the Equalities Act). In a similar vein to adjusting for those who have sensory issues triggered by the noise of hand dryers being able to use toilet facilities (dedicated disabled toilet where they wouldn't trigger a hand dryers, or toilets with other hand drying facilities).

GooseOnTheLoose
TS Member
I'm missing the part where I suggested those scenarios would be reasonable adjustments.Adequate ventilation is very different to “the preshow shouldn’t exist at all, and if it does shouldn’t be remotely crowded at all”![]()
Islander
TS Member
Oh my apologies for the misunderstanding Goosey, you didn’t, but it was the general gist of others in the threadI'm missing the part where I suggested those scenarios would be reasonable adjustments.

Who has said that?Adequate ventilation is very different to “the preshow shouldn’t exist at all, and if it does shouldn’t be remotely crowded at all”![]()
I must have missed the post.
Overly crowded.
No option to skip...my personal experience twice.
More than happy for it to be there, but the preshow, as is, and the needless crowding it generates, is one of the rides few flaws...
That and the needless bloody long walk on quiet days, but we can say that for a few rides.
Bowser
TS Member
Benches.
They stick benches in there so everyone is basically in a few lines, which should make getting out more like three single file lines gently trickling through
Actually another good example is Symbolica (at Efteling, again *ahem*), where the pre-show room still has a queue line snaking round so once everyone is in, they’re still in order and no pushing when the door opens.
Though again this relies on a host monitoring capacity. Really Occams Razor suggests that having the first host control capacity before the bag drop solves any issues and all it requires AT to do is add one rope.
James
TS Founding Member
I like the ideas mentioned with a queueline/dots on the floor to manage the crowds better.
At the bare minimum, I feel they need to apply better crowd control with a specific number of guests per preshow run-through. It's a fix that costs nothing to implement, maybe a small cost of giving the merge host (or preshow host) a tally counter.
At the bare minimum, I feel they need to apply better crowd control with a specific number of guests per preshow run-through. It's a fix that costs nothing to implement, maybe a small cost of giving the merge host (or preshow host) a tally counter.
BarryZola
TS Member
I know yeah, I just don't like it.Think we’re well beyond the point where that can be a consideration for the masses - we have to live with it, and understand there’ll be tight spaces where close contact is unavoidable in life.
I think it’s more a case of not enough room for extra queue but they wanted to fit a pre show in still. Me personally I’d put zig zag queue line in that pre show room and make it a constantly rolling show like on CurseI still can't fathom why they put a pre-show with so little queue afterwards. Did anybody do any sort of calculation of show runtime vs dispatch interval? Staggering that this is what some of the greatest minds in the uk industry came up with.