• ℹ️ Heads up...

    This is a popular topic that is fast moving Guest - before posting, please ensure that you check out the first post in the topic for a quick reminder of guidelines, and importantly a summary of the known facts and information so far. Thanks.

Coronavirus

Coronavirus - The Poll

  • Total voters
    97
It’s a shame to see so many in the hospitality sector get hit so hard during the most profitable time of year. How many will survive going into the new year is yet to be seen but it’s now a full on battle for survival. Obviously I should of seen it coming but just my luck that I was supposed to be getting engaged in a week and I had a phone call tonight to say the place I’ve hired has now had to cancel as they can’t open as they won’t let heritage sites open ah well just one of those things.
 
Thameslink Rail said:
And Covid has taken another victim
BBC News - Topshop owner Arcadia goes into administration
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55139369
Click to expand...

To be honest although Covid was the final nail in the coffin, its more that the group was struggling since their heyday in the mid-2000s and had failed to properly invest in online selling. ASOS, Boohoo and many other new brands have gained online sales and Zara, Pull&Bear and others have done better in the mixed model with Primark leading the stores only cheap end.

The Arcadia brands had just stopped being innovative really.
 
uqgRAMV.jpg
 
This is excellent news.

My only concern in the meantime is that of the common sense of Joe Public. With the news of the vaccine and as it gets rolled out, I've a bad feeling that a lot of people will begin to disregard all the rules while they're still in place, because "it's alright, there's a vaccine now!" Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I heard that it's a process of two injections a month apart, which only begins to take effect after the second month? Meanwhile if enough people start to flout the guidance and laws before the vaccine has time to have its effect, it could lead to more and more deaths.

I hope I'm wrong though!
 
I believe the epidemiologist view is that distancing, masks and ventilation should continue until a high proportion of the population has the vaccine. This is to prevent the standard COVID spreading problems, but also to try and further minimise the already slim chance of mutations.

I suspect most governments will go for the two courses and you're back to normal. I'd suspect they'd have a very hard task persuading people to continue measures after being vaccinated.
 
Burbs said:
This is excellent news.

My only concern in the meantime is that of the common sense of Joe Public. With the news of the vaccine and as it gets rolled out, I've a bad feeling that a lot of people will begin to disregard all the rules while they're still in place, because "it's alright, there's a vaccine now!" Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure I heard that it's a process of two injections a month apart, which only begins to take effect after the second month? Meanwhile if enough people start to flout the guidance and laws before the vaccine has time to have its effect, it could lead to more and more deaths.

I hope I'm wrong though!
Click to expand...

Partial immunity begins 13 days after first injection, full immunity is only reached 7 days after second injection.
 
Dave said:
Partial immunity begins 13 days after first injection, full immunity is only reached 7 days after second injection.
Click to expand...
Thanks for your insight Dave! That's good news, although I still do worry that people will not follow the rules as much going forwards. We'll have to wait and see.
 
Burbs said:
Thanks for your insight Dave! That's good news, although I still do worry that people will not follow the rules as much going forwards. We'll have to wait and see.
Click to expand...

There are way too many people not following rules and advice now anyway.
In the queue for the Tesco checkout at the weekend, two people without masks had their trolley touching us while they were rummaging though it. When I said something they only moved back by inches.
I've been on crutches recently and the combination of needing to leave space to move on them easily and trying to keep 2m from the large number of people without masks was exhausting.
 
The priority list for the vaccine has been updated and released today

https://assets.publishing.service.g...n_-_advice_from_the_JCVI__2_December_2020.pdf

The vaccine won't be given to children under the age of 16 and pregnant women

I fear that there are vulnerable people with underlying conditions that are at risk and have been left of the list. I fear that if the government lift restrictions after band 2, this could leave many vulnerable people at risk from the virus.

uMJi3cT.png


Considering that we are still waiting for our flu vaccine, we are currently at double risk.
 
Sad to see thalidomide is trending on twitter. It's such a lazy argument that seemingly doesn't consider the world has moved on!

Anyway stumbled across this article today which should calm a few nerves on how the 10 year process to 10 months is an amazing feat of global efforts, unlimited money, no red tape and simply a bit of luck along the way.

https://theconversation.com/less-th...cine-heres-why-you-shouldnt-be-alarmed-150414
 
So what happens when we get to number 8 on the list and hospitals are completely empty with hardly any Covid patients and the vaccine has run out?
Like I’ve said all along if you are under 55 the closest your going to get to a vaccine is brushing against the arm of your parents or grandparents.
 
Probably use the Astrazeneca, Moderna, AN other vaccine.

The world isn't standing still whilst we work through those steps. By time we get to step 8 there will likely be other approved options or some replenished stock.

If we do get to step 8 and there's no new options. We'll likely exist as a Tier 1 nation with pockets of Tier 2 until there is more vaccines.

How would you suggest they do it any differently?
 
Rojo said:
Probably use the Astrazeneca, Moderna, AN other vaccine.

The world isn't standing still whilst we work through those steps. By time we get to step 8 there will likely be other approved options or some replenished stock.

If we do get to step 8 and there's no new options. We'll likely exist as a Tier 1 nation with pockets of Tier 2 until there is more vaccines.

How would you suggest they do it any differently?
Click to expand...

I think you are missing the point, by the time we get to 8 there will be no need for any more vaccines...

Edit: also living under tier 1 with pockets of tier 2? Don’t you mean south tier 1 and everyone north of Watford Gap in tier 2.
 
Last edited:
BigT said:
I think you are missing the point, by the time we get to 8 there will be no need for any more vaccines...
Click to expand...

Why?

You are missing the herd immunity factor, some people cannot have the vaccine and are at risk. You protect those people by ensuring around 75% population immunity. That’s why antivax is so dangerous, these people don’t just harm themselves but also make it harder to protect others.

If the vaccine has a greater than 1yr efficacy they will keep going past point 8 assuming stock is available.
 
BigT said:
So what happens when we get to number 8 on the list and hospitals are completely empty with hardly any Covid patients and the vaccine has run out?
Like I’ve said all along if you are under 55 the closest your going to get to a vaccine is brushing against the arm of your parents or grandparents.
Click to expand...

I believe that the government are aiming to vaccinate the whole of the UK over the age of 16

We won't run out of vaccine, like @Rojo say's we have other vaccines in the pipe line and they all have pros and cons. Some will work better in certain age groups than others. The Oxford one will be very easy to roll out and the government have ordered many more times than the Pfizer order. The Oxford one can be stored in a fridge, so would be easier to roll out to those that are house bound as well as rolling it out at GP surgery's and pharmacies (and possibly vets).

The only way we are going to snub out this virus, and that if everyone takes up the vaccine, if we all don't then just like a fire that hasn't been properly put out, we may end up with a flare up again.

Edit to prevent double post: Looks like putting the care homes at the top of the priority list could be a non starter :rolleyes:

But the prime minister revealed that the Pfizer/BioNTec inoculation cleared for use by regulators today cannot yet be sent to care homes, because the cases it comes in are too large. Further authorisation is needed from the MHRA before the 975-dose boxes can be split up into batches suitable for distribution to homes.
Click to expand...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro...hnson/ar-BB1bzfu7?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ
 
Last edited:
BigT said:
I think you are missing the point, by the time we get to 8 there will be no need for any more vaccines...

Edit: also living under tier 1 with pockets of tier 2? Don’t you mean south tier 1 and everyone north of Watford Gap in tier 2.
Click to expand...

I think that view is too simplistic and we'll all be getting the vaccine where possible. It just becomes less urgent for those step 8+. If we stop at step 8 just because the figures are down we'll be screwing people 54 and under that don't have registered underlying health issues and gambling on the vaccine having a huge effect on 70+. If we all have the vaccine, the doubling up of protection should give us more confidence to get back to normal ways faster.

Haha, I wish there wasn't an element of truth in that edit ;)
 
If we’re to achieve herd immunity, then surely it’s important to vaccinate as many people as possible, and not stop once a certain threshold’s been reached. The higher the percentage of people who have been vaccinated, the greater the level of general protection, which is especially important for those who are immunocompromised.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top