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JJJOOOOOOOOHHHNNNNNN ! ----- I know queue times and seating plans on the internet are more accurate than actually being anywhere ... but ... I counted 380 folks in the audience, the good lady counted 396. There seemed to be around ~45 coming out of the White Tower for the Show & Dine deal...

Please don't say anymore. The claim sounds like absolute flatulence. Even the lady in the hotel shop would tell you that.

Another dead holiday maker changeover day on the park. Balmoral car park ... Best get Speedy Pass Icon queue out of the gates. Big One way down the ramp. Just been in the (literal) queue for our Hot Ice tickets. I honestly don't know how they're making any money. Re: Hot Ice pricing. As...

But as @Rick said, it's both ! I don't understand why that's so difficult for people to understand. 2 hours of a full show in the evening, a 50 minute preview during the day. The matinees haven't started yet.

And @Craig And I guess that is the point I am trying to make ... whatever the Flying Machine, Dora's World Voyage or Impossible cost per year to operate per year - that's what it costs the park annually. ~£120k per ride, minimum - inclusive of staffing, maintenance staffing, materials, utilities...

It depends how they account - I am sure that there are some shows which don't cover their costs - in the same way that the park opens on wet Wednesdays in October and 'loses' a fortune - but you take a year long view in this industry. The panto (also run by SWP) must print money, it's rammed...

Do season pass holders get discounted tickets these days ? I might go this weekend.

Indeed, the park offsets the cost of their in park entertainment by charging people to come and watch it outside of park hours. I don't know how that isn't a good thing.

I'm not convinced it's that either. Now we're in a POP era, no one attraction generates revenue, whether it's a ride* or a show ... Conceptually, Hot Ice is the same as a Disney Parade or CBeebies Land show - it's in park entertainment, those examples create zero revenue at all - it's weird that...

@Matt N I'm not picking, but in 2023 what does "I've heard" mean ? Back in the day that meant to you had spoken to a pissed up fitter in The Star after park close who told you too much .... Now I fear it means read on another forum or some vlog nonsense ?

The % of seats sold is a complete red herring. The size of the venue for the show is what it is ... they own the arena and it was paid off years ago. It holds ~2000 people, the notional capacity doesn't inform your expectation of attendance - that's insane. It's not like they're sitting down...

I’m not sure what is typical on a ride of this magnitude. You don’t walk a steel coaster in the same way as you would a wooden ride. It’s taken them three days to crawl all over Fury, post this issue being discovered. On rides that I have worked on, engineers would closely inspect areas where...

For the life of me, I don't understand why fixing that ride is so difficult ? They're so commonplace and the manufacturer is still in existence - furthermore, a manufacturer who was running one of these rides until an unfortunate incident wiped it out recently. For all their faults, Merlin are...

On the attendance front, it's important to distinguish where the comparisons are being made. If it's 2023 vs. 2019 - that's interesting, if it's 2023 vs. 1983 ... less so. If you have 1 million guests at £30 each, that's more interesting than 5 million guests wandering around not spending...

5% seems too high for me, but I guess we won't know unless someone in the know spills the numbers. I am not convinced that attendances are dropping in any meaningful way - I just don't see it. Nor do I buy that families are going to the pier for a day out because you have to pay for grandma on...

@rob666 I completely agree that COVID was the motivating factor in their removal, but we're way beyond that now. If they were that much of a money spinner, saw vast popularity etc - why haven't they returned ? My best guess is that they didn't sell all that many, removing it flattened their...

@shakey you just went full Ed Miliband on me ... ditched my questions and asked/answered your own ! A lot of your musings are the basis of my questions ... I am not convinced that there were droves of non riders to begin with, but from this it suggests that you think there might have been ...

@John_P How was Wild Wild West (Coaster Express is an awful name) riding these days ? They did a lot of work on it I believe.

@shakey (and others) I would be interested to hear your guestimations on the following metrics to see how much we differ : The % of visitors that used the entry pass prior to its demise The % split of visitors who only visit the park* vs. those who visit Blackpool for several days and take on...

@Enter Valhalla that's amazing value - £35 for travel and entrance is ridiculous for that park.