2019 General Election Poll and Discussion

[Rick]

@GaryH If only Boris had someone to dress him before he went to the cenotaph. Although you could argue it's part of his 'buffoon brand'

 

[ChristmasPud]

It's like agreeing as a group of friends that you'd like to go to the shop to buy an apple. Some people in the group wanted an orange, but more people voted for the apple because they don't like the peel. Fair enough.

Except, when you get to the shop, it turns out that there are several different kinds of apples: cooking apples, crab apples, and golden delicious. The group now starts arguing about which kind of apple to get. There's no consensus about what kind of apple was voted for.

Does the surefire apple analogy end this way too?

 

[D4n]

Seriously, between him and Dianne abbot, god help us if this comedy act got in to power. Imagine there was a national crisis or war, something needing quick decisive action!

And of course Boris Johnson, who wrote one article supporting 'remain' and another supporting 'leave' then based his decision of which side to support on his political career is much more qualified to make vital decisions.

 

[Stuie]

Seriously, between him and Dianne abbot, god help us if this comedy act got in to power.

It was just a matter of time before a bit of Diane Abbott bashing came about.

Y’know, the same Diane Abbott who was the first ever black woman to be elected in 1987 and has been elected every by her Hackney constituents ever since. The racial, gender, LGBTQ, anti-war campaigner and charity patron?

Awful woman.

 

[Rick]

It was just a matter of time before a bit of Diane Abbott bashing came about.

Y’know, the same Diane Abbott who was the first ever black woman to be elected in 1987 and has been elected every by her Hackney constituents ever since. The racial, gender, LGBTQ, anti-war campaigner and charity patron?

Awful woman.

I'd argue she is all these things, but she's also not a great media performer in the modern age and can do more harm for her cause than good, irrespective of her other achievements, electoral or otherwise.

 

[BarryZola]

Oh yes, Diane Abbott. The same Diane Abbott who likes to bash white people:

Miss Abbott responded: “White people love playing ‘divide & rule’. We should not play their game".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...hite-people-love-playing-divide-and-rule.html

She's got a massive chip on her shoulder.

 

[bluesonichd]

Abbott
“Blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" are unsuitable as nurses because they had "never met a black person before"

 

[grrrr]

Boris "Muslim women look Like post boxes" / "I'm terrified when I see a group of black boys" Johnson is better though, right?

 

[bluesonichd]

Muslim women look Like post boxes, but we shouldn’t ban them.

Boris talking about other country’ France, Germany banning them being worn in public

At least he values their rite to wear what they want in public and not oppress them

 

[grrrr]

At least he values their rite to wear what they want in public and not oppress them

By mocking them, as a man in power, he's literally not valuing that right. He's taking the pish and feeding the fire of bigotry.

And what about being afraid of black boys, how are you justifying that one?

 

[bluesonichd]

“When I shamble round the park in my running gear late at night, and I come across that bunch of black kids, shrieking in the spooky corner by the disused gents, I would love to pretend that I don’t turn a hair.“
Mr Johnson stated that “maybe” he would also run if it was a “gang of white kids” but said: “I’m not sure. I cannot rule out that I have suffered from a tiny fit of prejudice.”

He continued: “I have prejudged this group on the basis of press reports, possibly in right-wing newspapers, about the greater likelihood of being mugged by young black males than by any other group. And if that is racial prejudice, then I am guilty.”

From an article in 2002

 

[Plastic Person]

That's a classic Boris non-apology, and you couldn't have picked a better example of why he's an absolute toad. Had he said, "You know, I thought about it, and I think that right-wing media bias has had a negative effect on me. Coupled with historical social degradation that is likely to lead more black youths into violence, I've had a bloody good think about it, and I think using my political and press power, I could make a difference on this issue", then, yeah, fair enough.

But he doesn't, he just goes, "Oh, um, yes, possibly, I am, yes, hmmm, at least I'm just saying what everyone's thinking!"

There's a good story from Jeremy Vine, who was booked on a bill with him for some speaking event. Vine was on first, and Boris was the star attraction. He turned up very late, and was asking his cohorts as well as the organisers, "What's this for? What's the organisation? I don't know if I can pull this off!" And then, of course, he goes on stage with no prior research and aces it nonetheless, leaving the audience and the organisers in awe of his sheer charm and ability.

Anyhow, a few weeks pass, and Vine and Johnson are sharing the bill at another speaking event. Vine was on first, and Boris was the star attraction. He turned up late, and was asking his cohorts as well as the organisers, "What's this for? What's the organisation? I don't know if I can pull this off!" And then, of course, he goes on stage with no prior research and performs the exact same speech, leaving the audience and the organisers in awe of his sheer charm and ability.

He has literally built his career on just about being able to get away with it. It's endemic silver spoon nonsense, and frankly, I'm increasingly finding it hard to care how bad Diane Abbot's maths are, or who Corbyn had lunch with once in 1996, it's incomparable to the entitlement and personality fraud going on at the top of the Conservative party.

 

[grrrr]

I have prejudged this group

Yes, he's literally a racist. Good on him for admitting it.

 

[Britford]

Johnson is better though, right?

Same exact thing

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After trying to respond to this thread twice and both times, being beaten to it by another post that says pretty much exactly what I was going to,I got fed up and rushed out this response.
While I stand by the point I attempted to make, I no longer fully stand by this post because I'm not happy that what I quoted, was "the exact same thing"...
My attempted point was that he took boris's words out of context but I worded it (i feel) dishonestly...sorry about that.

 

[SirDossa]

Labour are currently under investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission for Anti Semitism.Some of those trumpeting voting for labour have said in no uncertain terms that the Anti Semitism issue is an invention of a biased media that ignores other party's prejudices. Unfortunately the Commission does not investigate without good reason. Labour, since the take over by Momentum and Corbyn have had a litany of members, PPC's and supporters who have close connections and made public statements with groups such as Hamas who believe in a Islamic state from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea; Jews must be removed. Corbyn himself has connected himself with pictures and drawings that display the age old trope of Jews controlling the world through banking. This is not comparable with Boris Johnson commissioning a satirical poem on Scotland or commenting that the burka - a horrific symbol of sexism and a real patriarchy - makes people look ridiculously like post boxes. Under the Corbyn regime Labour have snatched the moniker of the 'Nasty Party' from the Tories. Can prospective labour voters really feel comfortable in potentially putting Corbyn and his team into number 10?

As for Brexit, well this is the issue Labour will try to avoid as much as possible during the campaigning. You may be vehemently opposed to the Conservative or Liberal position's on Brexit but each do offer significant progress towards conclusion on the issue. Labour's position is inconclusive, unconvincing and will - without doubt - elongate this phase of Brexit for potentially years. This would be the worst thing for business and our society that needs to begin to heal on the issue of Brexit rather than ripped further apart. Corbyn’s own personal wishy washy stance on it will be laughed off by both the powers that be within the EU and the vast majority of Labour supporters who previously voted leave in the referendum.Dare I say they will be casting their votes elsewhere come the 12th December.

 

[GaryH]

I don't approve of any of the political parties currently standing in the UK. Quite frankly none of them are worthy of running this country (what's left of it).

The choice it seems comes down to 2 people.

Comrade Corbyn who is indecisive, sides with terrorists, a potential threat to national security and who would like to see communism in the UK while running a party being investigated for racism and anti semitism

Or

Bonkers Boris who is not trustworthy, looking to remove the UK from the EU at any cost (however the economic impact may be less than Labour getting in to power) , and who runs a party where austerity will continue for the foreseeable future and public services will continue to lack funding

On the side we have the Lib Dems who want to ignore the 17 million people to voted to leave the EU and revoke article 50 , or the greens who want to ban everyone from driving, flying or doing anything which involves having a bit of fun.

So all in all, not much of a choice really is it.

My personal feelings is that if Labour and the the Tory's had different leaders then perhaps the situation wouldn't be so dire.

My prediction is that the Tory's will continue to govern unless Corbyn steps down and let's someone more credible run the party.

 

[speedy]

Labour are currently under investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission for Anti Semitism.Some of those trumpeting voting for labour have said in no uncertain terms that the Anti Semitism issue is an invention of a biased media that ignores other party's prejudices. Unfortunately the Commission does not investigate without good reason. Labour, since the take over by Momentum and Corbyn have had a litany of members, PPC's and supporters who have close connections and made public statements with groups such as Hamas who believe in a Islamic state from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea; Jews must be removed. Corbyn himself has connected himself with pictures and drawings that display the age old trope of Jews controlling the world through banking. This is not comparable with Boris Johnson commissioning a satirical poem on Scotland or commenting that the burka - a horrific symbol of sexism and a real patriarchy - makes people look ridiculously like post boxes. Under the Corbyn regime Labour have snatched the moniker of the 'Nasty Party' from the Tories. Can prospective labour voters really feel comfortable in potentially putting Corbyn and his team into number 10?

As for Brexit, well this is the issue Labour will try to avoid as much as possible during the campaigning. You may be vehemently opposed to the Conservative or Liberal position's on Brexit but each do offer significant progress towards conclusion on the issue. Labour's position is inconclusive, unconvincing and will - without doubt - elongate this phase of Brexit for potentially years. This would be the worst thing for business and our society that needs to begin to heal on the issue of Brexit rather than ripped further apart. Corbyn’s own personal wishy washy stance on it will be laughed off by both the powers that be within the EU and the vast majority of Labour supporters who previously voted leave in the referendum.Dare I say they will be casting their votes elsewhere come the 12th December.

This is a difficult question to answer as if I say I am comfortable putting Corbyn in number 10 you're going to accuse me of antisemitism.

I do think antisemitism is used by our press to divert attention away from the Conservative party, which has its own problems with racism/discrimination on grounds of religion. Does that make it a non issue? Of course not. But I feel more comfortable voting for Corbyn than the Conservatives.

Regarding Brexit, despite "do or die", "come what may", "I'd rather be dead in a ditch" etc etc, we still haven't left the EU. May failed to deliver Brexit in March, Johnson failed to deliver it in October. Why should I believe that he'll be able to deliver it any time soon?

I don't approve of any of the political parties currently standing in the UK. Quite frankly none of them are worthy of running this country (what's left of it).

The choice it seems comes down to 2 people.

Comrade Corbyn who is indecisive, sides with terrorists, a potential threat to national security and who would like to see communism in the UK while running a party being investigated for racism and anti semitism

Or

Bonkers Boris who is not trustworthy, looking to remove the UK from the EU at any cost (however the economic impact may be less than Labour getting in to power) , and who runs a party where austerity will continue for the foreseeable future and public services will continue to lack funding

On the side we have the Lib Dems who want to ignore the 17 million people to voted to leave the EU and revoke article 50 , or the greens who want to ban everyone from driving, flying or doing anything which involves having a bit of fun.

So all in all, not much of a choice really is it.

My personal feelings is that if Labour and the the Tory's had different leaders then perhaps the situation wouldn't be so dire.

My prediction is that the Tory's will continue to govern unless Corbyn steps down and let's someone more credible run the party.

Corbyn's policies are not communism in the UK. And if they were, by this logic the NHS, our roads and our libraries are all communist ideas.

 

[Plastic Person]

I find it baffling that anybody not even somewhat appalled by the effects of austerity and the continual cuts to public services across the United Kingdom wouldn't want to vote Labour, given the impressive (albeit, perhaps slightly too ambitious?) contents of the latest manifesto. I say that as someone who doesn't buy into the cult of personality that seems to be emerging around Corbyn again recently. I still can't decide on how I feel about the anti-semitism accusations, but I definitely feel they were overblown by the right wing media and even in The Guardian, by way of discrediting Corbyn.

Not to accuse anyone of cynicism, but I find it difficult to believe people who seem to deny that gender or racial bias is even a thing, that there's any need for a women's forum in the government, who are happy with the evidence of domestic ruckuses, threatening journalists and chummy Eton racism filed against our prime minister, nonetheless seem to be suddenly incredibly concerned about anti-semitism in the Labour party. I rather wish they could extend their empathy in the direction of, well, just about anything else?

 

[Stuie]

Can prospective labour voters really feel comfortable in potentially putting Corbyn and his team into number 10?

Absolutely.

Do you feel comfortable putting Boris and Mogg back in there?

After 10 years of austerity, constantly voting against human rights, equality and gay marriage.

Look at their voting records and you'll see who are the biggest dangers to our forward thinking society.

 

[grrrr]

Bonkers Boris who is not trustworthy, looking to remove the UK from the EU at any cost (however the economic impact may be less than Labour getting in to power)

Not according to analysts at several large investment banks - "Unlikely as it may seem, he is now seen as the lesser of two evils by analysts at Citibank and Deutsche Bank, respectively American and German titans of the financial system."

When The Telegraph are reporting that investment banks would prefer a Corbyn premiership over a no deal brexit, you know that a no deal brexit is definitely a terrifying prospect...