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With regards to the earlier conversation about events; they (Oktoberfest, Scarefest and Fireworks) are currently still being advertised on park. Take from that what you will.
 


I was going to post this in the Toilets thread but given the more straight laced nature of it, I felt it was better in here (Mods, please move if not appropriate).

With the blessing of a Staff Member we were allowed to use the only toilet available just inside the entrance, which was the disabled. On the red cord which was hanging just above the cistern, was the above sign.

I'm sure some of you are already aware of Euan's Guide. I'd never heard of it before but looked into it last night and it's a fantastic idea. If you haven't heard of it, it has been described as "trip advisor on wheels". Great to see the disabled community looking out for each other and looking for positive change. If the person who did this is on here, Good work :)

I couldn't see an AT review on their website yet but I am sure they will deal with this when they see it.
 
Rojo said:


I was going to post this in the Toilets thread but given the more straight laced nature of it, I felt it was better in here (Mods, please move if not appropriate).

With the blessing of a Staff Member we were allowed to use the only toilet available just inside the entrance, which was the disabled. On the red cord which was hanging just above the cistern, was the above sign.

I'm sure some of you are already aware of Euan's Guide. I'd never heard of it before but looked into it last night and it's a fantastic idea. If you haven't heard of it, it has been described as "trip advisor on wheels". Great to see the disabled community looking out for each other and looking for positive change. If the person who did this is on here, Good work :)

I couldn't see an AT review on their website yet but I am sure they will deal with this when they see it.
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I would suggest emailing you photo to AT as well, the person who goes in to clean the toilet is unlikely to act upon that. In fact often cleaners are the ones who tie the emergency cords up so they don't get in the way when mopping. Best to email them so someone more senior hopefully gets alerted and can rectify the situation.

In general it seems AT want to do better for people with accessibility needs, as they added full mobiloos with hoists about two years ago so hopefully if the right team hear about this it will be fixed.
 
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pluk said:
Just the basics of implementing social distancing measures in a toilet would be closing every other urinal. Not done.
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Just to clarify - this is the case at Towers. Every other urinal has a notice above it to say it's not in use.
 
pluk said:
A notice? That'll stop 'em!
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In the same way as guidelines on the floor don't necessarily stop people from standing closer than 2m from the next person though surely? You have to put some element of trust in that people will follow the rules. Even if you rip out every other urinal, there'll be somewhere else that someone will be stood right next to you anyway.
 
jon81uk said:
I would suggest emailing you photo to AT as well, the person who goes in to clean the toilet is unlikely to act upon that. In fact often cleaners are the ones who tie the emergency cords up so they don't get in the way when mopping. Best to email them so someone more senior hopefully gets alerted and can rectify the situation.

In general it seems AT want to do better for people with accessibility needs, as they added full mobiloos with hoists about two years ago so hopefully if the right team hear about this it will be fixed.
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AT and merlin in general aren't exactly good for the lack of some key accessibility improvements that are cheap and easy-they are instead doing what gets the most publicity

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Rojo said:


I was going to post this in the Toilets thread but given the more straight laced nature of it, I felt it was better in here (Mods, please move if not appropriate).

With the blessing of a Staff Member we were allowed to use the only toilet available just inside the entrance, which was the disabled. On the red cord which was hanging just above the cistern, was the above sign.

I'm sure some of you are already aware of Euan's Guide. I'd never heard of it before but looked into it last night and it's a fantastic idea. If you haven't heard of it, it has been described as "trip advisor on wheels". Great to see the disabled community looking out for each other and looking for positive change. If the person who did this is on here, Good work :)

I couldn't see an AT review on their website yet but I am sure they will deal with this when they see it.
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This is why disable facilities shouldn't be used/abused by non disabled. Emergency cords are often tied up because parents used disable toilets as a mother and toddler toilet room, these often get pulled by the toddlers resulting in parent tying them up out of the way.

It can be very frustrating when you go to use the only toilet that is wheelchair friendly to find it has been put out of use because of damage done to the facilities within. I've come across broken door locks, damage emergency cords, taps handles missing and blocked up toilets. It also frustrating when the toilet roll gets all used up, it not as if a wheelchair user can just simply pop into a normal cubical. Especially when theses toilets are the only disable wheelchair friendly ones in the area.
 
RoyJess said:
This is why disable facilities shouldn't be used/abused by non disabled. Emergency cords are often tied up because parents used disable toilets as a mother and toddler toilet room, these often get pulled by the toddlers resulting in parent tying them up out of the way.

It can be very frustrating when you go to use the only toilet that is wheelchair friendly to find it has been put out of use because of damage done to the facilities within. I've come across broken door locks, damage emergency cords, taps handles missing and blocked up toilets. It also frustrating when the toilet roll gets all used up, it not as if a wheelchair user can just simply pop into a normal cubical. Especially when theses toilets are the only disable wheelchair friendly ones in the area.
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I don't need to, but occasionally do use the accessible toilet at work. No chance of toddlers or parents using it in a workplace, but the cord is often tied up or moved to somewhere so it is no longer useful, I can only assume it is the cleaners trying to make it easier to mop the floor. I fix the issue if I see it, but unless the cord is cut short or damaged or generally don't report it.
I've not really thought about the issue of all the toilet roll being used up, but at work all the toilets are checked at least twice a day (although I will admit I used the disabled toilet once as there was no paper at all in the regular toilet first thing on a Monday!).
 
A little thought can go a long way, just imagine if the normal toilets are out of order, you just simply use the disable toilets, full time wheelchair users just simply can't go and use the normal toilets when the disable ones are out of order..

Disable toilets are not just for wheelchair users, they are also adult changing places (where the wheelchair user is often change whist laying on a dirty floor) or for people to administer medication or change a colostomy bag. So it is vital that these toilets are left as clean and in working order as much as possible.
 
RoyJess said:
A little thought can go a long way, just imagine if the normal toilets are out of order, you just simply use the disable toilets, full time wheelchair users just simply can't go and use the normal toilets when the disable ones are out of order..

Disable toilets are not just for wheelchair users, they are also adult changing places (where the wheelchair user is often change whist laying on a dirty floor) or for people to administer medication or change a colostomy bag. So it is vital that these toilets are left as clean and in working order as much as possible.
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Yep indeed, even if it is just the case of going to a different floor (as it would be for me at work), you then have the issue of waiting for a lift etc.
 
Alastair said:
In the same way as guidelines on the floor don't necessarily stop people from standing closer than 2m from the next person though surely? You have to put some element of trust in that people will follow the rules. Even if you rip out every other urinal, there'll be somewhere else that someone will be stood right next to you anyway.
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Standing 2m away in a queue, as most people are used to and with no advantage in not following, isn't difficult. Not going for a piss when you need a piss and there is a viable pissing option in front of you is somewhat more difficult!

Not only would it stop that closeness during the deed but it'd create a natural low capacity for the building to prevent overcrowding at the more free-flowing communal areas around sinks and driers.

I know I'm labouring the point, but theses are the things that make a difference. They are worth getting right.
 
A row of urinals is at maximum capacity when every other one is occupied, the ones in between should be treated as decorative. Anyone violating this convention should be banned from all public toilets for all eternity.

In short, there's absolutely no need for signage above them.
 
spinba11 said:
There’s should be NO reason why non disabled people use the disabled toilet, image the uproar if men used the woman’s toilet.
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My local spoons has the toilets up three flights of stairs.
I have two bad knees.
I feel zero guilt about using the ground floor disabled loos, especially so when it is constantly used as the changing room for local shoplifters.
And get off to Uni spinball, thats where I realised the signs on the doors are optional!
Women in the gents all the time.
 
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