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[2024] Nemesis Reborn: Construction and Speculation

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It's not even the Christmas holidays yet.

Clearly the boredom of this season has gotten to the heads of a few people.

It was extremely rare to be told any future developments as a ride op. Then again Chessie only ever got Wild Asia when I was there, an exception presumably because of the early closure of Beanoland and that the rides manager knew I was a goon and I missed the general briefing on it.
 
skyscraper said:
Aaaaand let the speculation begin... :confused:

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Beat me to it! Yes I was wondering after the downtime at the end of the season how long it would take a video like this to come out. End of the day it's just speculation and rumours. Nothing is true until confirmed by the park themselves. I don't personally think Nemesis needs a major overhaul anytime soon as it's still running well imo. If they needed to change the train then they'd have to change the whole track as the new trains only suit certain track. Whilst that would take some time, I don't think it would take a whole season
 
Ethan said:
Beat me to it! Yes I was wondering after the downtime at the end of the season how long it would take a video like this to come out. End of the day it's just speculation and rumours. Nothing is true until confirmed by the park themselves. I don't personally think Nemesis needs a major overhaul anytime soon as it's still running well imo. If they needed to change the train then they'd have to change the whole track as the new trains only suit certain track. Whilst that would take some time, I don't think it would take a whole season
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Even with new track they'd have to widen the trenches as the other trains are wider (very unlikely, given the cost), plus they're also heavier as well so I don't think they'd be suitable for the compact layout.
 
Ethan said:
Ye I don't think it's feasible for an overhaul I don't see how it would work
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A hulk style re-track with new trains to the same specifications is possible, but there’s literally nothing to say it’s happening now or anytime soon apart from some off season chat on a merlin Facebook group and the scaffolding what seems to go up most years for winter maintenance anyway. No Legs in these rumours in my opinion. But I’d be happy if it was true, who wouldn’t want 26 more years of the UK’s best coaster :rolleyes:
 
Connor98 said:
A hulk style re-track with new trains to the same specifications is possible, but there’s literally nothing to say it’s happening now or anytime soon apart from some off season chat on a merlin Facebook group and the scaffolding what seems to go up most years for winter maintenance anyway. No Legs in these rumours in my opinion. But I’d be happy if it was true, who wouldn’t want 26 more years of the UK’s best coaster :rolleyes:
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I couldn't really imagine going to Alton towers without Nemesis. It's one of those priority rides for me
 
This would certainly be interesting if it did happen within the next few years! It also wouldn’t surprise me if it did happen; Nemesis has actually had sections of track (or at very least supports) in the helix replaced before due to stress, and the vertical loop seems to have become quite problematic in recent years from a structural point of view.


From a ride experience point of view, also, I’d personally say the ride is certainly beginning to show signs of age now. While I wouldn’t call Nemesis a rough coaster per se, one or two of the inversions are getting a little bit jolty now; the second corkscrew and zero-g roll seem to be the key offenders for this, and I often come off the ride with somewhat sore ears nowadays when I perhaps didn’t a few years ago. If they could smooth out these inversions, I think my love for it would go up to an extent. Although with that being said, I’m not actually sure how much a retrack would affect the ride from a smoothness perspective unless they made profiling tweaks of some form, as based on my experiences with Hulk at Universal just 3 weeks after reopening, it didn’t seem to do an awful lot for that ride.


It would certainly be radical to see Nemesis get overhauled in this way, but I don’t think it’s out of the question; Merlin have seemingly allowed for Shaman at Gardaland to get fully retracked in this manner, and they practically fully retracked Colossos at Heide Park, as well, so I could definitely see them potentially allowing one for Nemesis in the not too distant future, especially if they could get some form of complete brand refresh out of it in the same way they did for Colossos at Heide.
 
Matt N said:
Nemesis has actually had sections of track (or at very least supports) in the helix replaced before due to stress, and the vertical loop seems to have become quite problematic in recent years from a structural point of view.

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Total and utter rubbish. No complete track sections have been replaced on Nemesis, nor have any supports been replaced.

Sections of running rails - notably on the helix & vertical loop have been replaced & bits of the track cross-ties have been cut away. The latter being most noticeable at track joints on the helix.

The most problematic track footer is that for C-37-L1 (the one as the track exits the vertical loop and goes under the queueline, where the blood river used to run into it). This has been the cause of more than a bit of downtime over the years. I've got good video footage of the movement of this track footer on the last day of season in 2001 when it had failed. Tech Services did not want the ride opened & refused to sign it off. Ralph Armond over-ruled them. You could quite clearly hear the track make a "not right" sound as the train passed over the said section.
 
Kraken27 said:
I've got good video footage of the movement of this track footer on the last day of season in 2001 when it had failed. Tech Services did not want the ride opened & refused to sign it off. Ralph Armond over-ruled them. You could quite clearly hear the track make a "not right" sound as the train passed over the said section.
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Are you able to share a clip of the video please? Stuff like that is pure porn
 
Can't see it happening yet.
if it was I'd imagine Towers would want to advertise a period of time so that people would come and ride the 'original' nemesis one last time whilst selling plenty of event specific merchandise.

Plus going into 2021 were park capacity will again likely be limited closing another ride without replacement would likely knock the allowed capacity down a bit further. Forbidden Valley would be a ghost town as well with just blade and galactica in operation.
 
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Since when did blade and Galatica move to X-Sector?

I wouldn't be surprised if Nemesis got removed, as those who paid attention to queue times threads know it never got a big queue so probably wasn't that popular.
 
MattyH said:
Since when did blade and Galatica move to X-Sector?

I wouldn't be surprised if Nemesis got removed, as those who paid attention to queue times threads know it never got a big queue so probably wasn't that popular.
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It's got a really good throughput though which is one of the reasons why Nemesis queue is short but too many of the GP pay attention to the Smiler, Wicker Man and Oblivion these days and they either can't be bothered to go to Forbidden Valley or they just take the usual opinion of Smiler is the best in the uk, let's go ride it and queue for 2 hours + ( i know @Ethan holds the Smiler high as well but I'm mainly pointing out the GP problem)!
 
At the moment it's in general maintenance - trains off, brakes off currently.

Nemesis will be having a retrack in the next couple of years due to life cycle. Final schedule not decided but will be in it's current state for 2021 season assuming nothing drastic happens. It is 'possible' to retrack in the closed season but it would be tight so will likely result in being closed for a season at some point in the next couple of years.
 
Kraken27 said:
Total and utter rubbish. No complete track sections have been replaced on Nemesis, nor have any supports been replaced.

Sections of running rails - notably on the helix & vertical loop have been replaced & bits of the track cross-ties have been cut away. The latter being most noticeable at track joints on the helix.

The most problematic track footer is that for C-37-L1 (the one as the track exits the vertical loop and goes under the queueline, where the blood river used to run into it). This has been the cause of more than a bit of downtime over the years. I've got good video footage of the movement of this track footer on the last day of season in 2001 when it had failed. Tech Services did not want the ride opened & refused to sign it off. Ralph Armond over-ruled them. You could quite clearly hear the track make a "not right" sound as the train passed over the said section.
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Here is the said rail in question, being replaced. In early 2004.

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