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Chessington World of Adventures Resort

It's clearly not going to be a B&M. Hahahaha. Chessington aren't forking out for a Beamer let's be real. Pretty much rule out Mack and Intamin too. Their thrill coasters aren't cheap either.

Be amazed if it's not one of Vekoma, Gerst and ART. Still.... doesn't mean it won't be good though if it does get the go-ahead. I just don't see Merlin spending what it would take to bring in a high end thrill coaster. Not on a park like Chessington.
 
Surely at this stage, when they are presenting elements of the actual layout, they have a better idea than that about the product they want?
 
Layout and footprint is established, plus boomerang nature. Apparently the trains, inversions, banking and launch/life mechanism will all be pitched by the manufacturers and a decision made on experience offering, plus, interestingly - capacity.

Or so they said, depending on how mistrusting you are.
 
Benjsh said:
Absolutely.

There's definitely something in this. Croc Drop and now this proposed coaster are going to bring in plenty of fast track sales.

Anyone thinking this isn't part of the consideration process is incredibly naive. It's about maximising profits not fun.
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Yes but to say Merlin deliberately install low capacity attractions is beyond naive.

As mentioned before, I agree that capacity isn’t as big a consideration for Merlin as it was for Tussauds, or as it is for other operators. But to say that they deliberately install low capacity attractions to sell fastrack is just plain wrong.

Has it not occurred to anyone making this argument that having lower capacity rides means that they are only able to sell a lower amount of fastrack tickets? A ride like Swarm with a capacity of 1,200 per hour could allocate 20% of this capacity to fastrack and the main queue would still move at a reasonable speed (240 for anyone not good at maths), whereas a ride with only 500 capacity per hour would only be able to sell a fraction of that figure if they were using the same percentage.

And before anyone says “Merlin just sell loads of fastrack and don’t cap it” bla bla bla, I know for a fact that Merlin do limit fastrack numbers at their parks. Yes the limit of fastrack tickets is too high on many of their rides (I totally agree with that), but they do limit the numbers, and the higher a capacity of any ride, the more fastrack tickets they can sell. And that’s surely what they want.
 
Pushing for 3 trains on Wickerman for example isn't exactly anti-capacity thinking. Smiler was clearly a choice based on who could fit in the most ridiculous layout in a small space.

Problem is that flats in general have no real throughput. And we've seen a mass removal of them at Towers, while Chessie just seems to have lost its big throughput capabilities (assume Tiger Rock is the only plus 1000pph these days?). There's certainly more of a push towards giant thematic elements before the ride itself is considered.
 
pluk said:
Surely at this stage, when they are presenting elements of the actual layout, they have a better idea than that about the product they want?
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My guess is they are really just sounding out the likelihood of getting approval from the council and the level of objection from locals. Commissioning a full design would cost money and they probably want outline planning permission before they proceed (Towers did something similar with the cross valley coaster plan).
 
The timeline they have released states the full planning application is going to be made in July 2021. So they must be very far along in terms of manufacturer decisions and layouts etc.
 
I would say they have concrete proposals from the manufacturers and will be just waiting to push the button and notify one of them. Can’t see how you can do a planning application without everything finalised.
 
John Rownhams, 79, of Charles Babbage Close, Chessington said:

"This installation is an abomination. My wife of 60 years, Alanis, isn't interested in a short, low throughput shuttle coaster. No matter who the manufacturer is. A mid-scale GCI woodie or a top-end Gerst Bob (do your werst) is needed I tell you and that is that!"
 
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RoyJess said:
For those that haven't seen it, here is the video of the Amazon Land public consultation. I've not watched the video as I personally couldn't be ask to sit through it all.

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For a minute there I thought Amazon.com were launching a theme-park, or at least a franchised area! Stranger things have happened I guess... Not sure what the themeing would be like though - a sorting office?
 
Planning documents are long and complex things where every little detail must be considered and addressed to avoid delays and refusals of permission. By their own timeline they will be ready to submit this to the council at the start of July, about 6 weeks away. There are lots of points in this consultation that they simply must know the answer for that timescale to be kept to but are not saying. If that is their want for commercial reasons then fair enough, but say that, don't lie to the public and say you don't know. Not a great way to get people onside.

The first we'll know of manufacturer and ride type will surely be in the planning document noise report which will have to reference a like model for comparison purposes.
 
pluk said:
Planning documents are long and complex things where every little detail must be considered and addressed to avoid delays and refusals of permission. By their own timeline they will be ready to submit this to the council at the start of July, about 6 weeks away. There are lots of points in this consultation that they simply must know the answer for that timescale to be kept to but are not saying. If that is their want for commercial reasons then fair enough, but say that, don't lie to the public and say you don't know. Not a great way to get people onside.

The first we'll know of manufacturer and ride type will surely be in the planning document noise report which will have to reference a like model for comparison purposes.
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They don’t have to reference another ride to do the noise assessment, but it does re-enforce the comparability of the evaluation if they do which strengthens the case.

But don’t be surprised if they don’t make a direct model comparison.
 
Dave said:
They don’t have to reference another ride to do the noise assessment, but it does re-enforce the comparability of the evaluation if they do which strengthens the case.

But don’t be surprised if they don’t make a direct model comparison.
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In fairness, they usually do, especially on more recent projects. I know that Smiler’s planning application referenced Saw at Thorpe, which is how we ascertained that it was likely to be a Gerstlauer. Wicker Man’s referenced Ozark Wildcat and Kentucky Rumbler, which is how we ascertained that it was likely to be a GCI. I think even the cross valley woodie from 2003 might have referenced Megafobia.
 
Dave said:
They don’t have to reference another ride to do the noise assessment, but it does re-enforce the comparability of the evaluation if they do which strengthens the case.

But don’t be surprised if they don’t make a direct model comparison.
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True they don't HAVE to, but with noise being acknowledged as one of the primary concerns of residents who may opposed the plans the deciding officers are likely to pretty much insist on detailed noise assessment including relevant comparison detail. Their current line of 'it'll be quieter than the old rides as new technology is quieter' surely won't cut it. How loud will it actually be now, and when this ride is old an rattly, how loud will it be then? Those questions will have to be answered and evidenced.

They also be aware of the issues Towers had with Oblivion causing noise with screaming at height, they'll need to show that won't be a problem here with the potential of riders being potentially held, and certainly transitioning to reverse, at a high point.
 
pluk said:
True they don't HAVE to, but with noise being acknowledged as one of the primary concerns of residents who may opposed the plans the deciding officers are likely to pretty much insist on detailed noise assessment including relevant comparison detail. Their current line of 'it'll be quieter than the old rides as new technology is quieter' surely won't cut it. How loud will it actually be now, and when this ride is old an rattly, how loud will it be then? Those questions will have to be answered and evidenced.

They also be aware of the issues Towers had with Oblivion causing noise with screaming at height, they'll need to show that won't be a problem here with the potential of riders being potentially held, and certainly transitioning to reverse, at a high point.
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Thats what I said, however it’s up to the noise assessment company to decide on how they evidence their detailed assessment. There is nothing to say they have to reference an exact model in the report. It is the easiest way of demonstrating equivalence and they very much may go down that route, but they could simply reference other rides of a similar size/ thrill level.
 
EDIT: I apologise in advance for the very long post; I wrote a lot more than I think I intended to!
So, we have 5 possible manufacturers being thrown into the ring by Chessington’s PR team. In terms of which ones I think are most likely, I’ll weigh up the pros and cons of each, as well as giving my final verdict on how likely I think each manufacturer is to be picked:

Vekoma

For:

  • Vekoma have vast experience manufacturing shuttle coasters; they are quite arguably king of the shuttle coaster. Though it’s now discontinued, the traditional Vekoma Boomerang was the most cloned roller coaster layout of all time, and even now, Family Boomerangs seem to be flying off the shelves at a rate of knots!
  • Vekoma seem fairly keen to innovate when required; they’ve worked with Disney on numerous very unique attractions, and rides like FLY at Phantasialand prove that Vekoma is not shy when it comes to inventing new ride concepts. As such, I imagine the wackiness of this ride concept would be well within their capabilities.
  • Even though Merlin has never built a Vekoma roller coaster in any of their parks, they have fairly recently done business with Vekoma through the Legoland division; Haunted House Monster Party at Legoland Windsor was a fairly recent Vekoma installation, and I think Vekoma might also have some link to Brogent, who are the manufacturer that builds the flying theatre models that currently seem to be springing up at Legoland parks everywhere. As such, Merlin are not unfamiliar with Vekoma by any means.
  • Vekoma are not a particularly expensive manufacturer, from what I can gather, and I’d argue that they may possibly have the strongest price-to-quality ratio of any major manufacturer at the moment. As such, this would fit quite well with Merlin’s present philosophy of buying less expensive ride hardware and theming it to the absolute hilt.
Against:

  • I’m not sure how up for building the rumoured winged trains Vekoma would be. As I said above, they are keen to innovate, but they’ve never done anything quite like a wing coaster before, and by nature, winged trains might risk endangering Vekoma’s reputation for building silky smooth roller coasters.
  • Vekoma also hasn’t built any thrill-orientated shuttle coasters since massively overhauling their track design; I’m sure they probably could, if they wanted to, but their current shuttle coaster offering, the Family Boomerang, certainly doesn’t command the alleged 1.4m height restriction.
  • As much as I said about Merlin having worked with Vekoma before above, they’ve never worked with Vekoma on a major, bespoke thrill coaster before, and new Vekoma are still slightly alien to the Western market at the moment, so I’m not sure how willing Merlin would be to take the risk of building one.
Final Verdict: I’d say there’s a fair chance that Vekoma could be spearheading this project. They offer a very compelling price point, a willingness to innovate that Merlin will inevitably be looking for, and a vast amount of experience building shuttle coasters. It all boils down to whether Merlin wants to take the risk of working with Vekoma on a major coaster project for the first time.


Mack Rides

For:

  • They’ve done a fair bit of work for the Legoland parks under Merlin; a lot of the new Legoland parks seem to have Mack wild mouse coasters in them, and Mack did help out with the new Duplo Dino Coaster at Legoland Windsor.
  • Mack has built launched shuttle(ish) creations aimed at the thrill market before; things like Star Trek and Capitol Bullet Train come to mind here.
  • Mack thrill coasters also don’t tend to be too intense compared to those from other manufacturers, so a thrilling Mack shuttle coaster would offer that wide appeal and “family thrill” target demographic that Chessington will be looking for.
Against:

  • Mack are quite pricey, so I’m not sure that they would really comply with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a big budget for theming.
  • Mack also don’t strike me as the most innovative of manufacturers; a lot of their more recent products are just variations on pretty basic seating positions. The most innovative they’ve gone in recent times is probably the Inverted Powered Coaster, but even that is just a variation on the invert. Similarly to B&M, Mack’s selling point comes down to reliable, comfortable, luxury roller coasters that work well, so I’m not sure I see them plumping for something like a wing coaster or whatever seating gimmick Merlin seemingly wants from this ride.
  • I’ve heard rumours that Mack are reportedly not too fond of Merlin as a client, and wouldn’t be keen to work with them on a major, bespoke project. As such, I’m not sure whether this would harm their chances of Merlin picking them.
  • Leading on from the above, Merlin have never worked with Mack on a major, bespoke ride project in any of their parks before; most of their work from Mack seems to be cloned rides for Legoland parks.
Final Verdict: To be honest, I don’t think Mack are too likely, personally. They might be a bit pricier than what Merlin is looking for, and I’m not sure whether they’d want to take the risk of working with a new company on such a major ride.


B&M

For:

  • A B&M coaster would justify the 1.4m height restriction. Practically all of their rides have 1.4m height restrictions, so it would make that element of the puzzle justified.
  • Merlin has worked with B&M a fair number of times, both in the UK and abroad. As such, they’re a company who Merlin is well acquainted with, and would probably trust to deal with such a major, bespoke ride project.
  • As much as this concept looks quite wacky by B&M standards, Merlin/Tussauds parks have a proud history of pushing B&M to innovate outside of their comfort zone; the Dive Coaster, Flying Coaster and Wing Coaster were all concepts spearheaded by Tussauds/Merlin.
  • The main argument for B&M spearheading this project is that they’re the only manufacturer who is currently actively building wing coasters. They’ve built a fair number of wing coasters now, so they have a fair wealth of experience with the seating position and know how to really make it work.
Against:

  • As much as Merlin have worked with B&M before, B&M are pricey, and I’m not sure if B&M ride hardware would satisfy the current Merlin philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a substantial theming budget.
  • B&M have never built a shuttle coaster before, and as much as it’s not out of the question that they could build one, I’m not sure they’re the first company you’d go for if you were looking to buy one. I’m not even sure if B&M have ever built a ride that goes backwards before; I don’t think they have, come to think of it, unless you count the limited edition Batman backwards concept at Six Flags parks and Brave it Backwards on The Swarm at Thorpe Park.
  • This whole ride concept in general looks a bit too “wacky” and compact for B&M. I love B&M coasters, but if there’s two things you don’t go to B&M for, they’re wacky and compact. The key selling point of B&M coasters is that they’re reliable, and tried and tested rides, so they don’t tend to be terribly innovative, for the most part. B&M rides are also huge, sprawling things for the most part, and they tend to work best when they have a fair amount of space and size to work with, so I’m not sure if they’d want to go for a more compact coaster like this one.
Final Verdict: I’d say that B&M are a considerably less likely option, personally. I wouldn’t say they’re out of the question (none of these are), but I’d rather class B&M alongside Mack as not being the most likely option, personally.


Gerstlauer

For:

  • Merlin have worked with Gerstlauer quite a few times before, both in Legoland parks and Resort Theme Parks. Most notably, Gerstlauer spearheaded both Saw The Ride at Thorpe Park and The Smiler at Alton Towers, but they’ve also built a few smaller projects for Legoland parks, too.
  • Gerstlauer are a fairly cheap manufacturer, so would fit with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying low-cost hardware and leaving a big budget for theming. They offer a very compelling price point given their coasters’ size; Gerstlauer coasters offer a lot of bang for your buck.
  • Gerstlauer have also built a fair number of shuttle coasters, both family and thrill, so would be able to satisfy the brief very nicely.
  • As much as Gerstlauer doesn’t currently offer a wing coaster, they are not scared of innovation, and will jump to practically any height the client wants them to! Gerst have conjured up some crazily innovative coasters in their time, especially more recently, and strike me as the sort of company that wouldn’t be scared to step up to the job of building something a bit more unique.
Against:

  • The main thing working against Gerstlauer in my eyes is that I’m not sure how keen Merlin would be to work with them following the saga with Smiler. As much as The Smiler crashed 6 years ago now, and Gerstlauer themselves were absolved of any wrongdoing, the crash is still very fresh in Merlin’s mind, and I’m unsure how willing Merlin would be to go back to them for a major new ride.
Final Verdict: If Merlin are able to look past the Smiler incident, then I’d say Gerstlauer could be in with a fair chance of winning this project, personally. They offer a number of reasons why they could build the kind of ride that Chessington are looking for here.


ART Engineering

For:

  • ART seems to be one of Merlin’s staunchest allies for recent projects. They’ve done a lot of work for the Legoland parks, and also built the fairly recent Ghostbusters 5D at Heide.
  • ART seems to have a fairly wide repertoire, and don’t seem afraid to work outside the box; even though they don’t really offer any thrill coasters, they’ve built numerous family/junior roller coasters, and have worked on some larger projects (most notably, they worked on a large part of Cannibal at Lagoon, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were part of Primordial, either). A number of their rides are very bespoke creations, which is perfect for this project.
  • Given that a number of smaller parks work with them, I’m guessing that ART aren’t too expensive, which would suit Merlin’s philosophy of low-cost ride hardware and big theming budget perfectly.
Against:

  • As much as they’ve worked on roller coasters before, I’m not sure whether ART would be willing to be the spearhead of a fairly major thrill coaster like this. As much as they worked on Cannibal, they’ve never actually been the sole manufacturer of a major thrill coaster before, as far as I’m aware.
Final Verdict: I wouldn’t call ART the most likely option, personally, but I guess they’re not out of the question if Merlin trusts them to spearhead a major project like this one.


So in conclusion, with all things considered, my personal guess for the manufacturer of this ride is Vekoma, with Gerstlauer coming in a close second.


Do you agree with my thoughts?
 
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Matt N said:
So, we have 5 possible manufacturers being thrown into the ring by Chessington’s PR team. In terms of which ones I think are most likely, I’ll weigh up the pros and cons of each, as well as giving my final verdict on how likely I think each manufacturer is to be picked:

Vekoma

For:

  • Vekoma have vast experience manufacturing shuttle coasters; they are quite arguably king of the shuttle coaster. Though it’s now discontinued, the traditional Vekoma Boomerang was the most cloned roller coaster layout of all time, and even now, Family Boomerangs seem to be flying off the shelves at a rate of knots!
  • Vekoma seem fairly keen to innovate when required; they’ve worked with Disney on numerous very unique attractions, and rides like FLY at Phantasialand prove that Vekoma is not shy when it comes to inventing new ride concepts. As such, I imagine the wackiness of this ride concept would be well within their capabilities.
  • Even though Merlin has never built a Vekoma roller coaster in any of their parks, they have fairly recently done business with Vekoma through the Legoland division; Haunted House Monster Party at Legoland Windsor was a fairly recent Vekoma installation, and I think Vekoma might also have some link to Brogent, who are the manufacturer that builds the flying theatre models that currently seem to be springing up at Legoland parks everywhere. As such, Merlin are not unfamiliar with Vekoma by any means.
  • Vekoma are not a particularly expensive manufacturer, from what I can gather, and I’d argue that they may possibly have the strongest price-to-quality ratio of any major manufacturer at the moment. As such, this would fit quite well with Merlin’s present philosophy of buying less expensive ride hardware and theming it to the absolute hilt.
Against:

  • I’m not sure how up for building the rumoured winged trains Vekoma would be. As I said above, they are keen to innovate, but they’ve never done anything quite like a wing coaster before, and by nature, winged trains might risk endangering Vekoma’s reputation for building silky smooth roller coasters.
  • Vekoma also hasn’t built any thrill-orientated shuttle coasters since massively overhauling their track design; I’m sure they probably could, if they wanted to, but their current shuttle coaster offering, the Family Boomerang, certainly doesn’t command the alleged 1.4m height restriction.
  • As much as I said about Merlin having worked with Vekoma before above, they’ve never worked with Vekoma on a major, bespoke thrill coaster before, and new Vekoma are still slightly alien to the Western market at the moment, so I’m not sure how willing Merlin would be to take the risk of building one.
Final Verdict: I’d say there’s a fair chance that Vekoma could be spearheading this project. They offer a very compelling price point, a willingness to innovate that Merlin will inevitably be looking for, and a vast amount of experience building shuttle coasters. It all boils down to whether Merlin wants to take the risk of working with Vekoma on a major coaster project for the first time.


Mack Rides

For:

  • They’ve done a fair bit of work for the Legoland parks under Merlin; a lot of the new Legoland parks seem to have Mack wild mouse coasters in them, and Mack did help out with the new Duplo Dino Coaster at Legoland Windsor.
  • Mack has built launched shuttle(ish) creations aimed at the thrill market before; things like Star Trek and Capitol Bullet Train come to mind here.
  • Mack thrill coasters also don’t tend to be too intense compared to those from other manufacturers, so a thrilling Mack shuttle coaster would offer that wide appeal and “family thrill” target demographic that Chessington will be looking for.
Against:

  • Mack are quite pricey, so I’m not sure that they would really comply with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a big budget for theming.
  • Mack also don’t strike me as the most innovative of manufacturers; a lot of their more recent products are just variations on pretty basic seating positions. The most innovative they’ve gone in recent times is probably the Inverted Powered Coaster, but even that is just a variation on the invert. Similarly to B&M, Mack’s selling point comes down to reliable, comfortable, luxury roller coasters that work well, so I’m not sure I see them plumping for something like a wing coaster or whatever seating gimmick Merlin seemingly wants from this ride.
  • I’ve heard rumours that Mack are reportedly not too fond of Merlin as a client, and wouldn’t be keen to work with them on a major, bespoke project. As such, I’m not sure whether this would harm their chances of Merlin picking them.
  • Leading on from the above, Merlin have never worked with Mack on a major, bespoke ride project in any of their parks before; most of their work from Mack seems to be cloned rides for Legoland parks.
Final Verdict: To be honest, I don’t think Mack are too likely, personally. They might be a bit pricier than what Merlin is looking for, and I’m not sure whether they’d want to take the risk of working with a new company on such a major ride.


B&M

For:

  • A B&M coaster would justify the 1.4m height restriction. Practically all of their rides have 1.4m height restrictions, so it would make that element of the puzzle justified.
  • Merlin has worked with B&M a fair number of times, both in the UK and abroad. As such, they’re a company who Merlin is well acquainted with, and would probably trust to deal with such a major, bespoke ride project.
  • As much as this concept looks quite wacky by B&M standards, Merlin/Tussauds parks have a proud history of pushing B&M to innovate outside of their comfort zone; the Dive Coaster, Flying Coaster and Wing Coaster were all concepts spearheaded by Tussauds/Merlin.
  • The main argument for B&M spearheading this project is that they’re the only manufacturer who is currently actively building wing coasters. They’ve built a fair number of wing coasters now, so they have a fair wealth of experience with the seating position and know how to really make it work.
Against:

  • As much as Merlin have worked with B&M before, B&M are pricey, and I’m not sure if B&M ride hardware would satisfy the current Merlin philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a substantial theming budget.
  • B&M have never built a shuttle coaster before, and as much as it’s not out of the question that they could build one, I’m not sure they’re the first company you’d go for if you were looking to buy one. I’m not even sure if B&M have ever built a ride that goes backwards before; I don’t think they have, come to think of it, unless you count the limited edition Batman backwards concept at Six Flags parks and Brave it Backwards on The Swarm at Thorpe Park.
  • This whole ride concept in general looks a bit too “wacky” and compact for B&M. I love B&M coasters, but if there’s two things you don’t go to B&M for, they’re wacky and compact. The key selling point of B&M coasters is that they’re reliable, and tried and tested rides, so they don’t tend to be terribly innovative, for the most part. B&M rides are also huge, sprawling things for the most part, and they tend to work best when they have a fair amount of space and size to work with, so I’m not sure if they’d want to go for a more compact coaster like this one.
Final Verdict: I’d say that B&M are a considerably less likely option, personally. I wouldn’t say they’re out of the question (none of these are), but I’d rather class B&M alongside Mack as not being the most likely option, personally.


Gerstlauer

For:

  • Merlin have worked with Gerstlauer quite a few times before, both in Legoland parks and Resort Theme Parks. Most notably, Gerstlauer spearheaded both Saw The Ride at Thorpe Park and The Smiler at Alton Towers, but they’ve also built a few smaller projects for Legoland parks, too.
  • Gerstlauer are a fairly cheap manufacturer, so would fit with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying low-cost hardware and leaving a big budget for theming. They offer a very compelling price point given their coasters’ size; Gerstlauer coasters offer a lot of bang for your buck.
  • Gerstlauer have also built a fair number of shuttle coasters, both family and thrill, so would be able to satisfy the brief very nicely.
  • As much as Gerstlauer doesn’t currently offer a wing coaster, they are not scared of innovation, and will jump to practically any height the client wants them to! Gerst have conjured up some crazily innovative coasters in their time, especially more recently, and strike me as the sort of company that wouldn’t be scared to step up to the job of building something a bit more unique.
Against:

  • The main thing working against Gerstlauer in my eyes is that I’m not sure how keen Merlin would be to work with them following the saga with Smiler. As much as The Smiler crashed 6 years ago now, and Gerstlauer themselves were absolved of any wrongdoing, the crash is still very fresh in Merlin’s mind, and I’m unsure how willing Merlin would be to go back to them for a major new ride.
Final Verdict: If Merlin are able to look past the Smiler incident, then I’d say Gerstlauer could be in with a fair chance of winning this project, personally. They offer a number of reasons why they could build the kind of ride that Chessington are looking for here.


ART Engineering

For:

  • ART seems to be one of Merlin’s staunchest allies for recent projects. They’ve done a lot of work for the Legoland parks, and also built the fairly recent Ghostbusters 5D at Heide.
  • ART seems to have a fairly wide repertoire, and don’t seem afraid to work outside the box; even though they don’t really offer any thrill coasters, they’ve built numerous family/junior roller coasters, and have worked on some larger projects (most notably, they worked on a large part of Cannibal at Lagoon, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were part of Primordial, either). A number of their rides are very bespoke creations, which is perfect for this project.
  • Given that a number of smaller parks work with them, I’m guessing that ART aren’t too expensive, which would suit Merlin’s philosophy of low-cost ride hardware and big theming budget perfectly.
Against:

  • As much as they’ve worked on roller coasters before, I’m not sure whether ART would be willing to be the spearhead of a fairly major thrill coaster like this. As much as they worked on Cannibal, they’ve never actually been the sole manufacturer of a major thrill coaster before, as far as I’m aware.
Final Verdict: I wouldn’t call ART the most likely option, personally, but I guess they’re not out of the question if Merlin trusts them to spearhead a major project like this one.


So in conclusion, with all things considered, my personal guess for the manufacturer of this ride is Vekoma, with Gerstlauer coming in a close second.


Do you agree with my thoughts?
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I think that's the longest post ever in the history of Towers Street, I would love to know how long that took you! :p

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. ART I had never heard of before Chessington announced this ride but it sounds like they've proven themselves to be a viable contender for a new ride. As for Gerstlauer, I'm not too sure, I recall someone saying that Merlin and Gerstlauer are not on talking terms.
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yes - Gerstlauer, quite literally, will not talk to Alton Towers.
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Matt N said:
So, we have 5 possible manufacturers being thrown into the ring by Chessington’s PR team. In terms of which ones I think are most likely, I’ll weigh up the pros and cons of each, as well as giving my final verdict on how likely I think each manufacturer is to be picked:

Vekoma

For:

  • Vekoma have vast experience manufacturing shuttle coasters; they are quite arguably king of the shuttle coaster. Though it’s now discontinued, the traditional Vekoma Boomerang was the most cloned roller coaster layout of all time, and even now, Family Boomerangs seem to be flying off the shelves at a rate of knots!
  • Vekoma seem fairly keen to innovate when required; they’ve worked with Disney on numerous very unique attractions, and rides like FLY at Phantasialand prove that Vekoma is not shy when it comes to inventing new ride concepts. As such, I imagine the wackiness of this ride concept would be well within their capabilities.
  • Even though Merlin has never built a Vekoma roller coaster in any of their parks, they have fairly recently done business with Vekoma through the Legoland division; Haunted House Monster Party at Legoland Windsor was a fairly recent Vekoma installation, and I think Vekoma might also have some link to Brogent, who are the manufacturer that builds the flying theatre models that currently seem to be springing up at Legoland parks everywhere. As such, Merlin are not unfamiliar with Vekoma by any means.
  • Vekoma are not a particularly expensive manufacturer, from what I can gather, and I’d argue that they may possibly have the strongest price-to-quality ratio of any major manufacturer at the moment. As such, this would fit quite well with Merlin’s present philosophy of buying less expensive ride hardware and theming it to the absolute hilt.
Against:

  • I’m not sure how up for building the rumoured winged trains Vekoma would be. As I said above, they are keen to innovate, but they’ve never done anything quite like a wing coaster before, and by nature, winged trains might risk endangering Vekoma’s reputation for building silky smooth roller coasters.
  • Vekoma also hasn’t built any thrill-orientated shuttle coasters since massively overhauling their track design; I’m sure they probably could, if they wanted to, but their current shuttle coaster offering, the Family Boomerang, certainly doesn’t command the alleged 1.4m height restriction.
  • As much as I said about Merlin having worked with Vekoma before above, they’ve never worked with Vekoma on a major, bespoke thrill coaster before, and new Vekoma are still slightly alien to the Western market at the moment, so I’m not sure how willing Merlin would be to take the risk of building one.
Final Verdict: I’d say there’s a fair chance that Vekoma could be spearheading this project. They offer a very compelling price point, a willingness to innovate that Merlin will inevitably be looking for, and a vast amount of experience building shuttle coasters. It all boils down to whether Merlin wants to take the risk of working with Vekoma on a major coaster project for the first time.


Mack Rides

For:

  • They’ve done a fair bit of work for the Legoland parks under Merlin; a lot of the new Legoland parks seem to have Mack wild mouse coasters in them, and Mack did help out with the new Duplo Dino Coaster at Legoland Windsor.
  • Mack has built launched shuttle(ish) creations aimed at the thrill market before; things like Star Trek and Capitol Bullet Train come to mind here.
  • Mack thrill coasters also don’t tend to be too intense compared to those from other manufacturers, so a thrilling Mack shuttle coaster would offer that wide appeal and “family thrill” target demographic that Chessington will be looking for.
Against:

  • Mack are quite pricey, so I’m not sure that they would really comply with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a big budget for theming.
  • Mack also don’t strike me as the most innovative of manufacturers; a lot of their more recent products are just variations on pretty basic seating positions. The most innovative they’ve gone in recent times is probably the Inverted Powered Coaster, but even that is just a variation on the invert. Similarly to B&M, Mack’s selling point comes down to reliable, comfortable, luxury roller coasters that work well, so I’m not sure I see them plumping for something like a wing coaster or whatever seating gimmick Merlin seemingly wants from this ride.
  • I’ve heard rumours that Mack are reportedly not too fond of Merlin as a client, and wouldn’t be keen to work with them on a major, bespoke project. As such, I’m not sure whether this would harm their chances of Merlin picking them.
  • Leading on from the above, Merlin have never worked with Mack on a major, bespoke ride project in any of their parks before; most of their work from Mack seems to be cloned rides for Legoland parks.
Final Verdict: To be honest, I don’t think Mack are too likely, personally. They might be a bit pricier than what Merlin is looking for, and I’m not sure whether they’d want to take the risk of working with a new company on such a major ride.


B&M

For:

  • A B&M coaster would justify the 1.4m height restriction. Practically all of their rides have 1.4m height restrictions, so it would make that element of the puzzle justified.
  • Merlin has worked with B&M a fair number of times, both in the UK and abroad. As such, they’re a company who Merlin is well acquainted with, and would probably trust to deal with such a major, bespoke ride project.
  • As much as this concept looks quite wacky by B&M standards, Merlin/Tussauds parks have a proud history of pushing B&M to innovate outside of their comfort zone; the Dive Coaster, Flying Coaster and Wing Coaster were all concepts spearheaded by Tussauds/Merlin.
  • The main argument for B&M spearheading this project is that they’re the only manufacturer who is currently actively building wing coasters. They’ve built a fair number of wing coasters now, so they have a fair wealth of experience with the seating position and know how to really make it work.
Against:

  • As much as Merlin have worked with B&M before, B&M are pricey, and I’m not sure if B&M ride hardware would satisfy the current Merlin philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a substantial theming budget.
  • B&M have never built a shuttle coaster before, and as much as it’s not out of the question that they could build one, I’m not sure they’re the first company you’d go for if you were looking to buy one. I’m not even sure if B&M have ever built a ride that goes backwards before; I don’t think they have, come to think of it, unless you count the limited edition Batman backwards concept at Six Flags parks and Brave it Backwards on The Swarm at Thorpe Park.
  • This whole ride concept in general looks a bit too “wacky” and compact for B&M. I love B&M coasters, but if there’s two things you don’t go to B&M for, they’re wacky and compact. The key selling point of B&M coasters is that they’re reliable, and tried and tested rides, so they don’t tend to be terribly innovative, for the most part. B&M rides are also huge, sprawling things for the most part, and they tend to work best when they have a fair amount of space and size to work with, so I’m not sure if they’d want to go for a more compact coaster like this one.
Final Verdict: I’d say that B&M are a considerably less likely option, personally. I wouldn’t say they’re out of the question (none of these are), but I’d rather class B&M alongside Mack as not being the most likely option, personally.


Gerstlauer

For:

  • Merlin have worked with Gerstlauer quite a few times before, both in Legoland parks and Resort Theme Parks. Most notably, Gerstlauer spearheaded both Saw The Ride at Thorpe Park and The Smiler at Alton Towers, but they’ve also built a few smaller projects for Legoland parks, too.
  • Gerstlauer are a fairly cheap manufacturer, so would fit with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying low-cost hardware and leaving a big budget for theming. They offer a very compelling price point given their coasters’ size; Gerstlauer coasters offer a lot of bang for your buck.
  • Gerstlauer have also built a fair number of shuttle coasters, both family and thrill, so would be able to satisfy the brief very nicely.
  • As much as Gerstlauer doesn’t currently offer a wing coaster, they are not scared of innovation, and will jump to practically any height the client wants them to! Gerst have conjured up some crazily innovative coasters in their time, especially more recently, and strike me as the sort of company that wouldn’t be scared to step up to the job of building something a bit more unique.
Against:

  • The main thing working against Gerstlauer in my eyes is that I’m not sure how keen Merlin would be to work with them following the saga with Smiler. As much as The Smiler crashed 6 years ago now, and Gerstlauer themselves were absolved of any wrongdoing, the crash is still very fresh in Merlin’s mind, and I’m unsure how willing Merlin would be to go back to them for a major new ride.
Final Verdict: If Merlin are able to look past the Smiler incident, then I’d say Gerstlauer could be in with a fair chance of winning this project, personally. They offer a number of reasons why they could build the kind of ride that Chessington are looking for here.


ART Engineering

For:

  • ART seems to be one of Merlin’s staunchest allies for recent projects. They’ve done a lot of work for the Legoland parks, and also built the fairly recent Ghostbusters 5D at Heide.
  • ART seems to have a fairly wide repertoire, and don’t seem afraid to work outside the box; even though they don’t really offer any thrill coasters, they’ve built numerous family/junior roller coasters, and have worked on some larger projects (most notably, they worked on a large part of Cannibal at Lagoon, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were part of Primordial, either). A number of their rides are very bespoke creations, which is perfect for this project.
  • Given that a number of smaller parks work with them, I’m guessing that ART aren’t too expensive, which would suit Merlin’s philosophy of low-cost ride hardware and big theming budget perfectly.
Against:

  • As much as they’ve worked on roller coasters before, I’m not sure whether ART would be willing to be the spearhead of a fairly major thrill coaster like this. As much as they worked on Cannibal, they’ve never actually been the sole manufacturer of a major thrill coaster before, as far as I’m aware.
Final Verdict: I wouldn’t call ART the most likely option, personally, but I guess they’re not out of the question if Merlin trusts them to spearhead a major project like this one.


So in conclusion, with all things considered, my personal guess for the manufacturer of this ride is Vekoma, with Gerstlauer coming in a close second.


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Give me a month to read the post and get back to you. Hahahaha

But in all seriousness yeah it's not going to be one of the big boys most likely. I'd be hugely shocked if it was.
 
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