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Chessington World of Adventures Resort

Thameslink Rail said:
I think that's the longest post ever in the history of Towers Street, I would love to know how long that took you! :p

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. ART I had never heard of before Chessington announced this ride but it sounds like they've proven themselves to be a viable contender for a new ride. As for Gerstlauer, I'm not too sure, I recall someone saying that Merlin and Gerstlauer are not on talking terms.
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Where did you find that post @Thameslink Rail?

I did wonder whether Merlin and Gerstlauer’s relationship was somewhat fragmented following Smiler, but I guess Alton Towers isn’t Chessington, and Gerstlauer will be dealing with Chessington’s team instead of Alton Towers’ when developing this ride. 6 years is also a very long time; maybe Merlin is willing to go back to Gerst now?
Benjsh said:
Give me a month to read the post and get back to you. Hahahaha

But in all seriousness yeah it's not going to be one of the big boys most likely. I'd be hugely shocked if it was.
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Sorry; I should have said at the start that it was going to be long!

I wouldn’t necessarily say that B&M or Mack are out of the question, as Merlin has done business with both beforehand, but I wouldn’t say either really looks like the most likely candidate for the project, particularly Mack.
 
Matt N said:
EDIT: I apologise in advance for the very long post; I wrote a lot more than I think I intended to!
So, we have 5 possible manufacturers being thrown into the ring by Chessington’s PR team. In terms of which ones I think are most likely, I’ll weigh up the pros and cons of each, as well as giving my final verdict on how likely I think each manufacturer is to be picked:

Vekoma

For:

  • Vekoma have vast experience manufacturing shuttle coasters; they are quite arguably king of the shuttle coaster. Though it’s now discontinued, the traditional Vekoma Boomerang was the most cloned roller coaster layout of all time, and even now, Family Boomerangs seem to be flying off the shelves at a rate of knots!
  • Vekoma seem fairly keen to innovate when required; they’ve worked with Disney on numerous very unique attractions, and rides like FLY at Phantasialand prove that Vekoma is not shy when it comes to inventing new ride concepts. As such, I imagine the wackiness of this ride concept would be well within their capabilities.
  • Even though Merlin has never built a Vekoma roller coaster in any of their parks, they have fairly recently done business with Vekoma through the Legoland division; Haunted House Monster Party at Legoland Windsor was a fairly recent Vekoma installation, and I think Vekoma might also have some link to Brogent, who are the manufacturer that builds the flying theatre models that currently seem to be springing up at Legoland parks everywhere. As such, Merlin are not unfamiliar with Vekoma by any means.
  • Vekoma are not a particularly expensive manufacturer, from what I can gather, and I’d argue that they may possibly have the strongest price-to-quality ratio of any major manufacturer at the moment. As such, this would fit quite well with Merlin’s present philosophy of buying less expensive ride hardware and theming it to the absolute hilt.
Against:

  • I’m not sure how up for building the rumoured winged trains Vekoma would be. As I said above, they are keen to innovate, but they’ve never done anything quite like a wing coaster before, and by nature, winged trains might risk endangering Vekoma’s reputation for building silky smooth roller coasters.
  • Vekoma also hasn’t built any thrill-orientated shuttle coasters since massively overhauling their track design; I’m sure they probably could, if they wanted to, but their current shuttle coaster offering, the Family Boomerang, certainly doesn’t command the alleged 1.4m height restriction.
  • As much as I said about Merlin having worked with Vekoma before above, they’ve never worked with Vekoma on a major, bespoke thrill coaster before, and new Vekoma are still slightly alien to the Western market at the moment, so I’m not sure how willing Merlin would be to take the risk of building one.
Final Verdict: I’d say there’s a fair chance that Vekoma could be spearheading this project. They offer a very compelling price point, a willingness to innovate that Merlin will inevitably be looking for, and a vast amount of experience building shuttle coasters. It all boils down to whether Merlin wants to take the risk of working with Vekoma on a major coaster project for the first time.


Mack Rides

For:

  • They’ve done a fair bit of work for the Legoland parks under Merlin; a lot of the new Legoland parks seem to have Mack wild mouse coasters in them, and Mack did help out with the new Duplo Dino Coaster at Legoland Windsor.
  • Mack has built launched shuttle(ish) creations aimed at the thrill market before; things like Star Trek and Capitol Bullet Train come to mind here.
  • Mack thrill coasters also don’t tend to be too intense compared to those from other manufacturers, so a thrilling Mack shuttle coaster would offer that wide appeal and “family thrill” target demographic that Chessington will be looking for.
Against:

  • Mack are quite pricey, so I’m not sure that they would really comply with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a big budget for theming.
  • Mack also don’t strike me as the most innovative of manufacturers; a lot of their more recent products are just variations on pretty basic seating positions. The most innovative they’ve gone in recent times is probably the Inverted Powered Coaster, but even that is just a variation on the invert. Similarly to B&M, Mack’s selling point comes down to reliable, comfortable, luxury roller coasters that work well, so I’m not sure I see them plumping for something like a wing coaster or whatever seating gimmick Merlin seemingly wants from this ride.
  • I’ve heard rumours that Mack are reportedly not too fond of Merlin as a client, and wouldn’t be keen to work with them on a major, bespoke project. As such, I’m not sure whether this would harm their chances of Merlin picking them.
  • Leading on from the above, Merlin have never worked with Mack on a major, bespoke ride project in any of their parks before; most of their work from Mack seems to be cloned rides for Legoland parks.
Final Verdict: To be honest, I don’t think Mack are too likely, personally. They might be a bit pricier than what Merlin is looking for, and I’m not sure whether they’d want to take the risk of working with a new company on such a major ride.


B&M

For:

  • A B&M coaster would justify the 1.4m height restriction. Practically all of their rides have 1.4m height restrictions, so it would make that element of the puzzle justified.
  • Merlin has worked with B&M a fair number of times, both in the UK and abroad. As such, they’re a company who Merlin is well acquainted with, and would probably trust to deal with such a major, bespoke ride project.
  • As much as this concept looks quite wacky by B&M standards, Merlin/Tussauds parks have a proud history of pushing B&M to innovate outside of their comfort zone; the Dive Coaster, Flying Coaster and Wing Coaster were all concepts spearheaded by Tussauds/Merlin.
  • The main argument for B&M spearheading this project is that they’re the only manufacturer who is currently actively building wing coasters. They’ve built a fair number of wing coasters now, so they have a fair wealth of experience with the seating position and know how to really make it work.
Against:

  • As much as Merlin have worked with B&M before, B&M are pricey, and I’m not sure if B&M ride hardware would satisfy the current Merlin philosophy of buying lower-cost ride hardware and leaving a substantial theming budget.
  • B&M have never built a shuttle coaster before, and as much as it’s not out of the question that they could build one, I’m not sure they’re the first company you’d go for if you were looking to buy one. I’m not even sure if B&M have ever built a ride that goes backwards before; I don’t think they have, come to think of it, unless you count the limited edition Batman backwards concept at Six Flags parks and Brave it Backwards on The Swarm at Thorpe Park.
  • This whole ride concept in general looks a bit too “wacky” and compact for B&M. I love B&M coasters, but if there’s two things you don’t go to B&M for, they’re wacky and compact. The key selling point of B&M coasters is that they’re reliable, and tried and tested rides, so they don’t tend to be terribly innovative, for the most part. B&M rides are also huge, sprawling things for the most part, and they tend to work best when they have a fair amount of space and size to work with, so I’m not sure if they’d want to go for a more compact coaster like this one.
Final Verdict: I’d say that B&M are a considerably less likely option, personally. I wouldn’t say they’re out of the question (none of these are), but I’d rather class B&M alongside Mack as not being the most likely option, personally.


Gerstlauer

For:

  • Merlin have worked with Gerstlauer quite a few times before, both in Legoland parks and Resort Theme Parks. Most notably, Gerstlauer spearheaded both Saw The Ride at Thorpe Park and The Smiler at Alton Towers, but they’ve also built a few smaller projects for Legoland parks, too.
  • Gerstlauer are a fairly cheap manufacturer, so would fit with Merlin’s current philosophy of buying low-cost hardware and leaving a big budget for theming. They offer a very compelling price point given their coasters’ size; Gerstlauer coasters offer a lot of bang for your buck.
  • Gerstlauer have also built a fair number of shuttle coasters, both family and thrill, so would be able to satisfy the brief very nicely.
  • As much as Gerstlauer doesn’t currently offer a wing coaster, they are not scared of innovation, and will jump to practically any height the client wants them to! Gerst have conjured up some crazily innovative coasters in their time, especially more recently, and strike me as the sort of company that wouldn’t be scared to step up to the job of building something a bit more unique.
Against:

  • The main thing working against Gerstlauer in my eyes is that I’m not sure how keen Merlin would be to work with them following the saga with Smiler. As much as The Smiler crashed 6 years ago now, and Gerstlauer themselves were absolved of any wrongdoing, the crash is still very fresh in Merlin’s mind, and I’m unsure how willing Merlin would be to go back to them for a major new ride.
Final Verdict: If Merlin are able to look past the Smiler incident, then I’d say Gerstlauer could be in with a fair chance of winning this project, personally. They offer a number of reasons why they could build the kind of ride that Chessington are looking for here.


ART Engineering

For:

  • ART seems to be one of Merlin’s staunchest allies for recent projects. They’ve done a lot of work for the Legoland parks, and also built the fairly recent Ghostbusters 5D at Heide.
  • ART seems to have a fairly wide repertoire, and don’t seem afraid to work outside the box; even though they don’t really offer any thrill coasters, they’ve built numerous family/junior roller coasters, and have worked on some larger projects (most notably, they worked on a large part of Cannibal at Lagoon, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were part of Primordial, either). A number of their rides are very bespoke creations, which is perfect for this project.
  • Given that a number of smaller parks work with them, I’m guessing that ART aren’t too expensive, which would suit Merlin’s philosophy of low-cost ride hardware and big theming budget perfectly.
Against:

  • As much as they’ve worked on roller coasters before, I’m not sure whether ART would be willing to be the spearhead of a fairly major thrill coaster like this. As much as they worked on Cannibal, they’ve never actually been the sole manufacturer of a major thrill coaster before, as far as I’m aware.
Final Verdict: I wouldn’t call ART the most likely option, personally, but I guess they’re not out of the question if Merlin trusts them to spearhead a major project like this one.


So in conclusion, with all things considered, my personal guess for the manufacturer of this ride is Vekoma, with Gerstlauer coming in a close second.


Do you agree with my thoughts?
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I'm very suprised that Intamin hasn't been bandied around, as they have built a wing coaster before (Furious Baco) and are very experienced with launches as well. :confused:
 
Skyscraper said:
I'm very suprised that Intamin hasn't been bandied around, as they have built a wing coaster before (Furious Baco) and are very experienced with launches as well. :confused:
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And they build quite a lot of shuttle coasters and Merlin have worked with them in the past (Th13teen), yeah I'm surprised.
 
Skyscraper said:
I'm very suprised that Intamin hasn't been bandied around, as they have built a wing coaster before (Furious Baco) and are very experienced with launches as well. :confused:
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I didn’t include Intamin because they weren’t mentioned by Chessington as a manufacturer being considered for the ride.

I’m also surprised that they’re not considering Intamin; Intamin seem nuts enough to do something as innovative as this, and they have an incredibly wide repertoire of skills!
 
It doesn't make economic sense for them to add an Intamin or B&M as much as we'd all love them too. It's a family park primarily.

They just installed a drop tower which isn't from one the go to manufacturers of that ride type.

The coaster will be done on the cheap.
 
Benjsh said:
It doesn't make economic sense for them to add an Intamin or B&M as much as we'd all love them too. It's a family park primarily.

They just installed a drop tower which isn't from one the go to manufacturers of that ride type.

The coaster will be done on the cheap.
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On the flip side, cheaper ride hardware allows them to have an amazing budget for theming, which if recent installations like Wicker Man and Croc Drop are anything to go by, should work really well for Chessington!
 
Matt N said:
I didn’t include Intamin because they weren’t mentioned by Chessington as a manufacturer being considered for the ride.

I’m also surprised that they’re not considering Intamin; Intamin seem nuts enough to do something as innovative as this, and they have an incredibly wide repertoire of skills!
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The presentation was a svague as it could possibly have been. The list of manufacturers wasn't necessarily exhaustive.

If they are 6 weeks away from a full detail planning application submission they know full well who will be building the ride, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they deliberately mentioned everyone they could think of other than the true manufacturer...
 
Jb85 said:
How thrilling is this ride going to be - 1.4m seems very much out of the norm for the park
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The concept art appears to show an inversion.

I agree though, Chessington doesn’t need inverting rides really. But they do need something about as thrilling as Vampire and Dragons Fury again.
 
Rick said:
Right, but irrespective of the reason, it's not beyond comprehension that they would add another 1.4m ride to the park, arguably that's not a bad thing as it allows some 'progression'.
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yes but I’m still not sure they need a coaster with an inversion though.

although I suppose the Corkscrew at AT was often a first step into riding inverting coasters so it could work in that sort of regard.
 
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