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Craig said:
Good to hear you're on the mend! Don't go rushing yourself back into things, take it slow and steady and you'll be back up to full strength in no time :)
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Thank you, Craig! Definitely plan on taking it slow. Will have a few hours at Drayton manor on Sunday to take in the atmosphere and the sun, don’t think Alton towers would be a good idea just yet with all the walking involved:tearsofjoy:

still find it incredible how some people are still in denial over this virus, yes we are recovering from the pandemic but it’s far from over. As I said in my first post when I was tested positive, I’m young and healthy yet still got knocked off my feet by it, it’s definitely made me think twice about wether I will be taking certain risks such as no mask indoors as restrictions ease.
 
With the disagreements and discussions on here about children being force to have the vaccine,

Ministers have confirmed that children under the age of 18 will not be given the vaccine. However vaccine doses will be offered to children between 12 and 15 who are deemed vulnerable to COVID-19 or who live with adults who are immunosuppressed or otherwise vulnerable to the virus.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-18...ed-jab-unless-vulnerable-itv-news-understands
 
RoyJess said:
With the disagreements and discussions on here about children being force to have the vaccine,

Ministers have confirmed that children under the age of 18 will not be given the vaccine. However vaccine doses will be offered to children between 12 and 15 who are deemed vulnerable to COVID-19 or who live with adults who are immunosuppressed or otherwise vulnerable to the virus.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-18...ed-jab-unless-vulnerable-itv-news-understands
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They are also offering it to people who are within 3 months of turning 18 (which is sensible as otherwise they would have a 10 week period where they could not attend events/ go abroad as they would be over 18 but unvaccinated).
 
RoyJess said:
With the disagreements and discussions on here about children being force to have the vaccine,

Ministers have confirmed that children under the age of 18 will not be given the vaccine. However vaccine doses will be offered to children between 12 and 15 who are deemed vulnerable to COVID-19 or who live with adults who are immunosuppressed or otherwise vulnerable to the virus.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-18...ed-jab-unless-vulnerable-itv-news-understands
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The most sensible thing I’ve heard come out the government for a while, well done!

Let’s see what the school union’s come up with for September.

Very positive news for a change!!


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monkeyboy said:
The most sensible thing I’ve heard come out the government for a while, well done!

Let’s see what the school union’s come up with for September.

Very positive news for a change!!


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The Government hasn’t made the decision the JCVI made the recommendation and they are rumoured to have recommended reviewing it later in the year once they have further information from the various clinical trials that are ongoing.

The teachers unions have never been particularly bothered about the children being vaccinated. They wanted their members vaccinated as a priority but that’s all sorted now.

It’s also worth pointing out that the question here isn’t “are the vaccines safe for children”, the question is “does the risk of Covid justify the intervention”.
 
Boris Johnson has confirmed in tonight's press conference that clubbers will need proof of vaccination from the end of September. The government had said it could make proof of vaccination mandatory but now it's saying it definitely will, regardless of what happens over the coming weeks. This is the first application of a "vaccine passport" domestically.

What's interesting is this is approximately 10 weeks away which seems to be a carrot to encourage younger people to get their vaccine (8 weeks between 1st and 2nd dose + 2 weeks for it to become effective).
 
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Alsty said:
Boris Johnson has confirmed in tonight's press conference that clubbers will need proof of vaccination from the end of September. The government had said it could make proof of vaccination mandatory but now it's saying it definitely will, regardless of what happens over the coming weeks. This is the first application of a "vaccine passport" domestically.

What's interesting is this is approximately 10 weeks away which seems to be a carrot to encourage younger people to get their vaccine (8 weeks between 1st and 2nd dose + 2 weeks for it to become effective).
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but unvaccinated people can go out to night clubs tonight? Makes no sense to remove restrictions now and then tighten them up in two months!
 
jon81uk said:
but unvaccinated people can go out to night clubs tonight? Makes no sense to remove restrictions now and then tighten them up in two months!
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If it was a requirement now then I think most nightclubs would be empty, since over 18s have only been able to get their first dose since the end of June. I suspect the government wanted to get nightclubs open as soon as possible because businesses are complaining about lack of revenue, but in reality they don't want unvaccinated people going and that's the earliest they can impose without being unfair(?).
 
jon81uk said:
but unvaccinated people can go out to night clubs tonight? Makes no sense to remove restrictions now and then tighten them up in two months!
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I presume it's that as most clubbers are pretty young adults it would probably not make the business viable (as so few would be double jabbed) and so would cost the Government a lot to prop these businesses further. In two months they can say all other 18-30 year olds have had the chance to get fully vaccinated so tough luck if you cannot get in.
 
But it also leaves Covid to spread at those venues (look at what happened following the euro final) and possibly puts off others who would want the security of knowing people had to prove their status to enter. I do think after the initial excitement this week some clubs may not be that busy.
 
Looks like it's up to the over 30's to go bipping and bopping down their local Discotheque to keep the industry going. I've got my shell suit ready.
 
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RoyJess said:
So today is freedom day...does that mean I don't have to wear clothes?
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'Freedom day', where three core government ministers are self isolating and the chief scientific adviser to the government announces that 60% of those being admitted to hospital are double vaccinated.

I understand why the government has used the vaccine programme as the light at the end of the tunnel, but I am not sure if the balance has been right in ensuring people understand that two jabs doesn't make you invincible.

Do you still have to wear Hush Puppies to get in a nightclub? I think they're in the loft with my Polaroid.
 
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Do you still have to wear Hush Puppies to get in a nightclub? I think they're in the loft with my Polaroid.
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As of September vaccine passports are coming in for clubs and discos. So over 30's and medics.

I wonder if they still confiscate travel bottle of talcum power?

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Rick said:
'Freedom day', where three core government ministers are self isolating and the chief scientific adviser to the government announces that 60% of those being admitted to hospital are double vaccinated.
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Whilst the 60% figure sounds like vaccines don't work on the face of it, remember we still have far fewer people in hospital in comparison to the previous wave. Vaccines work, but they are not there to eradicate the possibility of getting Covid. At their best they can prevent symptoms, at their worst they can do nothing. But there's a myriad of alternatives in between that too, from fewer symptoms, less severe symptoms, shortening the time you're in hospital or just prevent you from dying. The image the government showed today comparing the waves really shows this clearly having a massive effect:

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60% sounds like a lot of people in hospital who've been double vaccinated, but of course vaccine or no vaccine the older you are the less likely your immune system coupled with a knackered body in the first place is going to cope with an infection. 60% against the relatively low admissions numbers in comparison to previous waves is still pretty good going in my view.
 
Yeah I agree, the 60% figure makes it sound like vaccines aren’t working when they are. What you’ve got to think is that majority unvaccinated are younger who are far less likely to be hospitalised. Put it this way, if all of the population was vaccinated that % would be 100% but likely be a lower figure in raw numbers than even now.
 
@Craig I agree with everything you have said, but a number of things that you have asserted are not the common understanding or indeed commonly accepted amongst the public (despite being correct). People have been hanging on the fact that the vaccination programme was our route to freedom (day) and I am not sure that there is a realisation about how things could now go despite the efficacy of the vaccine and despite the success of the rollout programme. We've seen evidence of that on this forum.

Cases are going to grow exponentially and the trajectory is largely going to be influenced by the behaviour of us as a society. Look at Israel ... they're four weeks ahead of us in terms of unlock and are already evaluating whether to reimpose some restrictions to protect their healthcare system.
 
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