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[jon81uk]

You're going to be livid when you find out how they want to tackle voter fraud.

Hint, it's required ID when voting.

The almost non-existant voter fraud.

 

[monkeyboy]

You're going to be livid when you find out how they want to tackle voter fraud.

Hint, it's required ID when voting.

No because the government already has my data and I’m voting for the government. I vote by post with all the registration needed, but thanks for the concern.

We are not talking about voting,we are taking about getting into the pub/club and using the same digital passport with medical information linked to that account.


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[Benzin]

The almost non-existant voter fraud.

Oh yeah like 4 cases of it.

But ID is very important.

 

[Dave]

No because the government already has my data and I’m voting for the government. I vote by post with all the registration needed, but thanks for the concern.

We are not talking about voting,we are taking about getting into the pub/club and using the same digital passport with medical information linked to that account.


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Not everyone is voting for the government and voter ID laws are usually implemented by right wing governments to suppress opposition voters.

But that’s by the by, although I’m against mandating vaccination for events the NHS app does not disclose any data other than your personal identifier (name and date of birth) and the vaccination status on the QR code.

Medical records have quite a strong protection under GDPR (I mean the government does want to get rid of GDPR but you voted for them so you should agree with that), so they are only allowed to share the bare minimum required to prove you are vaccinated.

 

[Craig]

If we're going to discuss ID cards, could we stick to the vaccination status element rather than deviating into things like ID for voting etc please . Just to avoid things wandering too far off topic - feel free to setup a dedicated topic if you'd like to talk about the wider potential implications for ID cards. Ta!

 

[RoyJess]

I don't understand why people are opposing ID cards when your credit/debit card holds just as much information about you?

We have ANPR and face recognition technology. You have a national health number. Most people carry a mobile phone which tracks your location. The amount of information that people give away for free on social media. The internet is full of algorithms about your activity. At the end of the day, if the government want to know something about you, they will find it.

The bottom line is, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. If it means getting back to some sort of normality, then I've no problems with a vaccine passport. We already have one, we were given a vaccination card when we got vaccinated. I scanned my for a copy and then laminated the original which I carry around. What more proof do they need to prove that you have been double jabbed?

Sorry @Craig, I was in the middle of typing this when you posted your previous post

 

[Dave]

Rumours are abound that outdoor crowds of more than 20,000 will qualify for proof of vaccination.

I still fail to see how the government will exclude pubs from these rules if they don’t demand table service. But I’m sure the crown idiot will find a way

 

[jon81uk]

We already have one, we were given a vaccination card when we got vaccinated. I scanned my for a copy and then laminated the original which I carry around. What more proof do they need to prove that you have been double jabbed?

The paper card is easily forged, I had to write my own name on it! It is only a record of the batch number you were given and a back up for the electronic record really. For travel purposes the electronic record is much better to show it was actually you that got the vaccine.

 

[Dave]

The paper card is easily forged, I had to write my own name on it! It is only a record of the batch number you were given and a back up for the electronic record really. For travel purposes the electronic record is much better to show it was actually you that got the vaccine.

The paper card isn’t proof, you either need the NHS app or a printed certificate from 111.

 

[jon81uk]

The paper card isn’t proof, you either need the NHS app or a printed certificate from 111.

Yes that was my point in response to Roy.

 

[Alsty]

The paper card isn’t proof, you either need the NHS app or a printed certificate from 111.

You can get a certificate from the NHS website or calling 119 and selecting the ‘NHS COVID Pass service’ option (111 is for non-emergency medical advice). Full details here.

 

[shakey]

First trip to supermarket since "freedom day". I would say mask wearing was at about 75% overall but probably less than 50% for young adults/teens.

I will continue to wear a mask indoors until people wearing them drops below 50%, then I probably won't bother unless I am somewhere very crowded.

Judging by today I would say we will be below 50% mask wearing by the end of the month.

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[tayspru]

I went the local supermarket today, and there was limited mask wearing. However there was also about 20 people in the whole store, I’m not about to be wearing a mask on the hottest day of the year when I can easily keep a large distance from others, especially as it’s no longer mandated. I think it’s a case of judgement for most now as other settings I would wear a mask (for example right. Ok I’m in a taxi with a driver I don’t know so masks on!)

 

[Skyscraper]

Rumours are abound that outdoor crowds of more than 20,000 will qualify for proof of vaccination.

18,000 actually, to be precise.

 

[Matt.GC]

Ah the pointless furore over ID cards 2 decades ago. All the scaremongering hot air looks even more hilarious now when you consider that in the years since many of the same people have been perfectly happy to offer most of their personal data for free to foreign companies. I remember someone dead against a democratically elected government consolidating their passport and driving license onto one card at the time- an Amazon Echo now sits on their coffee table. The irony.

At work today, mask wearing by customers has visibly decreased to around the 70 - 80% mark. Down from around 90% compliance. I get that this will vary slightly depending on the area of the store sits in, but I think anyone suggesting it's under 50% is either exaggerating or basing it on a very small sample size. The main thing I've noticed is, the people who used to just put their T shirt over their face when you walked by (as if you were too stupid or blind to see them doing it) now no longer bother. Staff wearing them still, 100% and have had no problems but then this will depend on company and/or manager and their culture.

Although I agree with the view that mask wearing will continue to decrease over the following weeks until the inevitably of legal restrictions returning happens, I think it goes some way towards proving that many restrictions were already being observed/ignored for many months regardless of law.

 

[Craig]

18,000 actually, to be precise.

You can't be precise with a rumour . To clear this up though, there's multiple outlets mentioning different figures, mainly because it's all just rumours and backdoor briefings at the moment. There's been no official rules on vaccine certification with events so far, as there are no laws in place that legislate for it at present. Case in point, two different outlets, two different stories:

Football fans will need two Covid jabs to attend games with 16,000+ fans from September (The Star)

Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 or more capacity (BBC News)

 

[Skyscraper]

You can't be precise with a rumour . To clear this up though, there's multiple outlets mentioning different figures, mainly because it's all just rumours and backdoor briefings at the moment. There's been no official rules on vaccine certification with events so far, as there are no laws in place that legislate for it at present. Case in point, two different outlets, two different stories:

Football fans will need two Covid jabs to attend games with 16,000+ fans from September (The Star)

Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 or more capacity (BBC News)

Ahh I see, thanks for clarifying Craig. The source I read mentioned 18,000.

 

[Matt N]

In promising news, it would appear that after a study, the vaccines have been proven to still be very, very effective against the Delta variant after two doses: https://apple.news/A6rsa22WOQG-QcjF2kf7ddQ

• The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is 88% effective against the Delta variant after two doses, compared with 93.7% effective against the Alpha variant after two doses.
• The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is 67% effective against the Delta variant after two doses, compared with 74.5% effective against the Alpha variant after two doses.
• However, the one-dose efficacy of each vaccine is a fair bit lower; one dose of Pfizer/BioNTech is 36% effective against the Delta variant, while one dose of Oxford/AstraZeneca is 30% effective against the Delta variant. This reinforces the importance of getting that second dose; the second dose is arguably more important to stave off the Delta variant compared with earlier variants.

Hopefully this should mean our case numbers will begin to get a little better once everyone’s been fully vaccinated!

 

[Alsty]

So it seems like we're starting to get some empty shelves at supermarkets again due to staff self-isolating within both the stores and within the supply chain. I suspect that when people start to see empty shelves they also start to buy more things, and combined with panic buying (not helped by the media saying "don't panic buy!"), it could cause the problem to get worse in the short term. We also have petrol stations running out of fuel, bins going uncollected and police shortages.

The question is, will the goverment do something about the "pingdemic" before things get out of control? I think we could have real problems if they don't do something about the self-isolation requirements soon (not due to change until the 16th August).

I don't see why they couldn't replace the self-isolation requirement with daily testing, with only those testing positive (and perhaps those living in the same household) staying at home, especially amongst those who are fully vaccinated. The latest government "strategy" of letting it rip isn't compatible with the current self-isolation rules.

 

[Matt.GC]

Things are already out of control. Knowing the way supermarket supply works, these problems have been festering for a while and are only starting to come to a head now. The system barely recovered when people bought months worth of stock in just a few weeks last year and supply chains have been struggling for the last few weeks. This so called "pingdemic" is the tipping point amongst all the issues we've experienced over the preceding weeks.

All summer so far there's been a chronic shortage of HGV drivers, there's been recruitment problems in stores and DC's for weeks and absence in some distribution centres and stores (including my own) is running at double digit percentages. These normally run at between 2-4% as food retail is a high volume, low margin industry that runs on low levels of labour against sales so these absence levels are devastating to operations.

Government action should have been taken before Monday. Now, these people will be off for 10 days minimum with the operations already on their knees. Once you get to a certain level of depletion in food, it's not a simple case of getting a big delivery, whack it out, job done and all is well. The labour involved right up the supply chain is massive. I'd estimate if everyone was back at work and there were no vacancies from suppliers through to stores as of tomorrow (which is not the case) and if sales were flat (they're not, but it's mainly due to hot weather rather than "panic buying"), then it would take us 2 weeks to recover operations.

The government can't sit there procrastinating, they need to do something right now!