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Thameslink Rail said:
I've just been looking through the vaccination data and I am shocked by how low the vaccination rates are in London, only 61.6% of 12+ have had two doses compared to 72.2% in the West Midlands (second worst) and 79.3% in the South West (best). Looking at upper tier LAs, the 11 worst vaccination rates are all London Boroughs with only 53.6% double jabbed in Westminster. I would genuinely be interested why vaccination rates are so low in London, could age and ethnicity be factors?
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The data is getting better but there are still some headaches, especially with somewhere like Westminster where there is quite a transient population, with second homes and the like.
 
Cambridge also shows very low, which surprised me when looking at the UK map recently - but then you consider transient populations as suggested.

To anyone against lockdowns, I'm sympathetic, but I'd simply ask what is the alternative answer to hospital capacity that is virtually maxxed out, with waiting lists growing by the millions as a result?

Two of the potential alternatives are highly undesirable to a governing political party (one problem with democracy): A targeted lockdown of the elderly and/or the unvaccinated.
 
BigT said:
I think he has a huge roll to play in encouraging people but has strangely for him been rather quiet on vaccines by his usual standards.
He is usually on every media outlet rattling on about what the government is doing wrong but on this has hardly mentioned it, maybe he doesn’t want to upset his core vote.
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Out of interest do you live in London?
 
Rose Of Dawn said:
Whilst I don’t have the most up-to-date statistics, ethnicity is almost certainly a factor. According to an NHS study from February, black communities are the most likely to be historically hesitant to vaccinate.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/south-ea...ccination-and-race-religion-and-belief-A4.pdf
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Yes, in general the black community are more vaccine hesitant. Unfortunately there is a terrible history of medical experimentation on black people, for instance black people with syphilis were not told they had the disease and denied treatment when they became available to ensure end of study data was not corrupted, this meant they infected their loved ones and developed unnecessary tertiary syphilis (the Tuskegee experiment) . Also black women were for forced into sterilisation in the American south.

These amongst others have created a bit of a distrust in that community, this has then been taken advantage of by the anti-vax conspiracy nuts.
 
BigT said:
No I live about 10 minutes from AT.
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Then I think the issue is although the Major of London is relatively high profile the national media is not going to be reporting on everything they say all the time. So midland perceptions of his work on vaccine uptake is probably not representative of reality.
 
Dave said:
Then I think the issue is although the Major of London is relatively high profile the national media is not going to be reporting on everything they say all the time. So midland perceptions of his work on vaccine uptake is probably not representative of reality.
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I think that’s a bit simplistic, most news outlets are London centric and I spend a lot of time in the car listening to LBC etc. so I hear and read my fair share of London news.
It’s the equivalent of me saying you shouldn’t be commenting on Alton Towers if you don’t live in Staffordshire.
 
BigT said:
I think that’s a bit simplistic, most news outlets are London centric and I spend a lot of time in the car listening to LBC etc. so I hear and read my fair share of London news.
It’s the equivalent of me saying you shouldn’t be commenting on Alton Towers if you don’t live in Staffordshire.
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I didn’t say you shouldn’t comment on it, but my point stands even in your comment.

I live in Yorkshire, if it wasn’t for the fact I am a Towers fan I would never read the sentinel and therefore never see 90% of the news output related to Alton Towers, you live in the Moorlands so you will see more. Similarly I don’t assume I see everything the Mayor of any city outside of West Yorkshire says on any given subject.
 
I think public health messages targeted at Londoners will feature more in regional opt outs over national news. A quick look at his Twitter shows plenty of vaccination related tweets, retweets and videos from both regional and national news featuring interviews with him.

Away from that though, I'm not sure what difference a city's mayor will have in encouraging people to get vaccinated over the national public health messages that are already published. Vaccine hesitancy can be a very individual thing, what one person is concerned about is not the same for someone else. It needs a very different more localised and personalised approach using health professionals to explain and address concerns. As that's not within the remit of the London mayor, that's certainly something that should be co-ordinated by government and the NHS.
 
Tom said:
Cambridge also shows very low, which surprised me when looking at the UK map recently - but then you consider transient populations as suggested.

To anyone against lockdowns, I'm sympathetic, but I'd simply ask what is the alternative answer to hospital capacity that is virtually maxxed out, with waiting lists growing by the millions as a result?

Two of the potential alternatives are highly undesirable to a governing political party (one problem with democracy): A targeted lockdown of the elderly and/or the unvaccinated.
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You picking on me Tom?
You can all play out at the Beach, but I have to stay at home because I'm a bit wrinkly.
Paid all my taxes for the last four decades, followed all the rules through Covid, had all my vaccinations, but I get locked down because I'm old?
I think we should lock up all under forties, because they go out and socialise a lot.
And shoot the unvaccinated.
 
Germany now joining in on travel bans after Netherlands going into lockdown.

Least I can cancel Europa Park before actually going out there. But it's still very annoying considering jumping through all the booking hoops, being up to date with jabs and there are STILL the likes of Piers Corbyn who lead the idiot brigade into a frenzy.

Life is incredibly frustrating. Weak government who insist on the "popular" decision rather than the sensible one especially so.
 
Based on this mornings TV interviews with the health sec I think we are likely locking down this week, if not this week then almost certainly on the 27th.

Not sure how the wider public will respond, I personally think it’s a step too far despite working in the NHS but I may be in the minority.
 
Do you mean the sensationalist media version of lockdown which is 'we're going to close pubs and restaurants', or more of an actual lockdown like people should only go out to buy essentials and with that furlough will come back?
 
BarryZola said:
Do you mean the sensationalist media version of lockdown which is 'we're going to close pubs and restaurants', or more of an actual lockdown like people should only go out to buy essentials and with that furlough will come back?
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How is the former a sensationalist media lockdown? I missed the bit of the pandemic when the BBC, ITV and the Sun defined the public health restrictions?

To be more precise the rumours are closure of indoor leisure (pubs, restaurants etc) and a ban on indoor mixing of multiple households. As beer gardens are not overly popular in January this is effectively a closure of leisure, so the only part of the plan that separates this from last years lockdowns is non-essential shops may still be allowed to open, possible gyms as well, no mention of hairdressers so that bit is up for debate.

I’m not sure how the media is the problem here, unless you think the government are fantastic and need a scapegoat for their incompetence?
 
My point was, whenever I've seen "NATION COULD BE LOCKED DOWN IN WEEKS!!!" or similar in newspapers of late, the actual story that follows it up is that pubs and restaurants could be closing. That's sensationalism. I think you need to chill out a bit mate and not take everything so seriously and to the extreme. We all know what the well known and original meaning of lockdown is/was. No need to always try to pick a fight, is there?
 
I would be astonished if there was a lockdown this week, there will literally be riots in the street at Christmas being cancelled two years on the trot for 85 people in hospital WITH omicron (not necessarily because of it).
Not enough is known for a lockdown this week, look at South Africa, hardly over run by hospital cases is it, yet again the media is talking us into it with sensational headlines, what exactly they achieve by doing this who knows, but that’s exactly what’s happening.
 
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