Crime and Punishment

[BigT]

There is no evidence that an active death penalty serves as any sort of deterrent, in fact it has the opposite effect in the United States. You only need to look at the amount of psychotic and bizarre killings that frequently take place there to see that.

I don't think you can make a statement like, how would you know one way or another.
There is no evidence either way unless you can prove me wrong.

Anyway as far as I know the UK still has the death penalty for certain crimes (Treason against the crown) unless it was abolished when signing the bloody human rights act.

My view is that pedophile's should be executed, but only after suffering for 10 years in jail, as they will always be a danger, show me a reformed pedophile and I'll show you a liar.
Public executions though maybe going a bit too far.

Meat Pie is right in some ways that poverty can lead to minor crime, but I don't think its as simple as that for serious crime.
Most of the serious crimes committed in this country are committed by people not in poverty.
If there was no poverty would there still be crime? I think there would be because some people are selfish and others just plain bad.

 

[Martin]

There is no evidence that an active death penalty serves as any sort of deterrent, in fact it has the opposite effect in the United States. You only need to look at the amount of psychotic and bizarre killings that frequently take place there to see that.

I don't think you can make a statement like, how would you know one way or another.
There is no evidence either way unless you can prove me wrong.

Actually there is. The murder rate in the US is 6 times that of Britain and 5 times that of Australia. Texas has twice the murder rate of Wisconsin, a state that doesn't have the death penalty.

Anyway as far as I know the UK still has the death penalty for certain crimes (Treason against the crown) unless it was abolished when signing the bloody human rights act.

Abolished, but not by the Human Rights Act, I don't think. Bloody? If you have a problem with an act that protects people then I find that pretty disturbing. And if it does outlaw executions for high treason, then even better.

My view is that pedophile's should be executed, but only after suffering for 10 years in jail, as they will always be a danger, show me a reformed pedophile and I'll show you a liar.
Public executions though maybe going a bit too far.

so keep the locked up. What's the point in killing them? Let them be beaten and abused in prison for the rest of their lives. Murder does not solve anything.

 

[Jonathan]

There is now no crime in the UK which is punishable by death. The last capital crimes had the execution part removed under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. There are other bits of legislation we've signed over the years which mean it is not possible for the death penalty to be brought back to this country, and to be honest, any government who wants to restore capital punishment is, in my opinion, insane.

 

[adsyrah]

My view is that pedophile's should be executed, but only after suffering for 10 years in jail

Nice.

Does that include a 16 year old having sex with his 14 year old girlfriend?

p.s. it's spelt paedophile.

 

[Adam]

My view is that pedophile's should be executed, but only after suffering for 10 years in jail

Nice.

Does that include a 16 year old having sex with his 14 year old girlfriend?

That isn't paedophilia...

 

[adsyrah]

My view is that pedophile's should be executed, but only after suffering for 10 years in jail

Nice.

Does that include a 16 year old having sex with his 14 year old girlfriend?

That isn't paedophilia...

Well, depends if she's gone through puberty.

But my point was that in the eyes of the law the 16 year old is commiting a crime - child sexual abuse.

 

[Adam]

My view is that pedophile's should be executed, but only after suffering for 10 years in jail

Nice.

Does that include a 16 year old having sex with his 14 year old girlfriend?

That isn't paedophilia...

Well, depends if she's gone through puberty.

But my point was that in the eyes of the law the 16 year old is commiting a crime - child sexual abuse.

Firstly, 14 and 16 year olds are neither children nore adults, they are adolescents.

Secondly, according to wikipedia, the prepubescent child must be at least five years younger than the adolescent before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia.

 

[Dar]

Not quite no, but it's still sexual abuse of a minor.

 

[MrMutterson]

Reply is coming to Meat Pies...

As for the 16 year old with a 14 year old I believe the offence is statutory rape as the 14 year old in the eyes of the law is not able to give his/her consent.

I'm sure one of our law experts can confirm or deny this!

 

[Dar]

It's 13 or younger to classed as statutory rape, 14 is just plain 'ol sexual abuse.

 

[Sam]

Torture would be a perfect way to stop re-offenders.

Have the light offenders in the nicest cells working down to lifers in an underground group cell which has no running water and has food tossed in like feeding time at the zoo.

Work would be forced onto them and they will have the worst jobs known to man.

Courts should throw people in prison for as long as they can to teach them as after regular beatings and whippings they wouldn't like to revisit prison.

Also rapists should be castrated.

Prisoners should lose their human rights whilst in prison.

Is this meant to be ironic or have you actually lost all your humanity?

Original post deleted.

 

[Meat Pie]

Poison Tom - Even if we can't convince you to act like a decent human being, the justice system is far from and never can be flawless and innocent people would get caught up in these horrendous punishments.

Advocating those measures makes you as bad as any of the criminals that would be put into these torturous situations, probably worse.

 

[BigT]

Reply is coming to Meat Pies...

Is it just me or that the funniest thing I've ever head him called? its really tickled me.

The murder rate in the US is 6 times that of Britain and 5 times that of Australia. Texas has twice the murder rate of Wisconsin, a state that doesn't have the death penalty.

That's not evidence, its circumstance at best. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find statistics to show other countries with the death penalty that have a lower rate of murders than the UK.
There maybe evidence I don't know that's why I asked for it to be shown, not statistical garbage.

There is now no crime in the UK which is punishable by death. The last capital crimes had the execution part removed under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. There are other bits of legislation we've signed over the years which mean it is not possible for the death penalty to be brought back to this country, and to be honest, any government who wants to restore capital punishment is, in my opinion, insane.

Thanks for clearing that up, although to be honest it would never have been carried out even if was still law and someone shot the Queen point blank in the face!

My view is that pedophile's should be executed, but only after suffering for 10 years in jail

Nice.

Does that include a 16 year old having sex with his 14 year old girlfriend?

p.s. it's spelt paedophile.

Were not really talking about that though are we, surely everyone knows what a paedophile is even if some of us don't know how to spell it!





Tom even I'm not suggesting going that far....... not yet anyway

 

[Tom]

Murder rates in US states which have the death penalty are higher than those that don't have it. It has been that way since at least 1990.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterre ... rder-rates

The thought of commiting horrific crime and then being killed by the state for it is hugely appealing to many psychopaths, as has been proven time after time after time after time in America.

 

[Sam]

That's not evidence, its circumstance at best. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find statistics to show other countries with the death penalty that have a lower rate of murders than the UK.
There maybe evidence I don't know that's why I asked for it to be shown, not statistical garbage.

Stupid statistics and facts! They always get in the way of some well-argued hateful and murderous rhetoric don't they? I agree with you - I much prefer policy to be made on the basis of blind prejudice and Daily Mail bile than actual evidence as to its effectiveness.

Were not really talking about that though are we, surely everyone knows what a paedophile is even if some of us don't know how to spell it!

Yes, because the mark of a good justice system is a complete vagueness of what constitutes an offence. Maybe we could also have a brief spell of community service for people who "look a bit dodgy" or for people who "the whole street thinks is a bit of a weirdo, he must be up to something"? I really wouldn't start mocking other people for their spelling, having read your last post.

What I have said above would work perfectly and prisons would be far less overcrowded. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.

Your post is so surreal and irrational that it's not even possible to form a reasoned argument against it, like I can't convince otherwise a man who believes he was born on the planet Venus.

 

[BigT]

Stupid statistics and facts! They always get in the way of some well-argued hateful and murderous rhetoric don't they? I agree with you - I much prefer policy to be made on the basis of blind prejudice and Daily Mail bile than actual evidence as to its effectiveness.

What the hell is that about?

Were not really talking about that though are we, surely everyone knows what a paedophile is even if some of us don't know how to spell it!

I was mocking myself, do keep up

Nice to see your still picking on people with disabilities!

 

[Poisson]

I will hold my hands up and say what I posted is wrong - I kinda came on quite mad and posted.

Basically ignore the horrible, horrible posts I made I will post again when I actually come up with a good idea.

Sorry guys. As you were.

 

[Sam]

What the hell is that about?

It's called sarcasm, you might have heard of it.

I will hold my hands up and say what I posted is wrong - I kinda came on quite mad and posted.

Basically ignore the horrible, horrible posts I made I will post again when I actually come up with a good idea.

Sorry guys. As you were.

That's OK, glad we've helped you recognise what barbaric things torture and capital punishment are.

 

[BigT]

What the hell is that about?

It's called sarcasm, you might have heard of it.

No it is not its called trying to be a clever dick, something your very good at.

As usual you come on here and try and put people down, the same as on all the other threads.
My first post in coffee corner for a while and I might add a friendly one and your straight on trying to score points, well done Sam, well done.

 

[Poisson]

I remember in English once and we read that Greenland had the lowest crime rate but has no prisons. The people go and get locked in at night in sheltered accom. and in the day go hunting (except for murderers who had to go fishing instead) and they could act civilised. 99% of people never re-offended.