Disneyland Paris: General Discussion

Dave

TS Founding Member
It's been on the cards for ages and remember it's all political. The French government basically own Eurostar and we did not bail it out during covid. They have closed both stations in Kent for another 3 years as of this week to save money. Yet no regional stations in France are closed. It's political and financial but it really annoying I now have to spend an additional £50 to go back on myself and waste 2 additional hours from Ashford. Eurostar lost my money.

The French government do not make decisions on the running of Eurostar. The Kent services are not restarting because they where under used pre-brexit and there isn’t the resource to retrofit the extra facilities the border controls require.

The anti-French rhetoric to have something to blame the fallout of brexit for is really disturbing to see.
 

JAperson

TS Member
Actually the French government do have considerable power over the company who owns eurostar, whether they're instigated it or not nobody knows however it is simply untrue to claim they haven't got the real power over eurostar. I personally think it should be 50/50 ownership between the British Government and the French government otherwise I wouldn't allow it to operate in the UK.
 

JAperson

TS Member
There are many entirely sensible reasons why Alton doesn't have a train station that are logistical, historical and financial.
Yes I'm well aware however I still think that both the Government, the council and Alton Towers themselves should be aiming for it. It should be on the cards, but I've hard no mention of it even being a possibility. I think there are plenty of ways to make it happen.
 

rob666

TS Member
That is because it is completely beyond economic reason, so it isn't even a possibility.
You shouldn't aim for things that are unobtainable...it only leads to eventual inevitable failure and disappointment.
Please list the ways it is ever going to happen, without hitting a financial brick wall.
More chance of riding the cross valley woodie.
 

Craig

TS Administrator
Can we keep this to DLP discussion please? We're moving far, far off topic here!

We have a Public Transport topic in General that can be utilised, or feel free to create a dedicated topic if you feel it's warranted.
 
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Maelstrom

TS Member
A New tangled themed flat ride is coming to the studios park likely to be pfficially announced at D23,

It will be a similar style ride to tea cups but instead of teacups will be wooden boats that spin below 100’s of lanterns that overlooks a pond area, which should like great at night with the lanterns lit up. toilets will also be built next to the ride which will be located near the toystory land.

hopefully more plans for what’s happening with regards to star wars or the replacement land if stars wars is not going ahead and some new stuff for the main park are announced soon. I wonder if they might add a copy of Pandora to the studios. It’s been incredibly popular in Florida with flight of passage ranking as guests top attraction in many guest surveys. Plus with new films coming and i recently read the original film has constantly been in the top 10 viewed Disney plus films in Europe.
 

SuperMuscleMan

TS Member
Favourite Ride
Colossus
The French government do not make decisions on the running of Eurostar. The Kent services are not restarting because they where under used pre-brexit and there isn’t the resource to retrofit the extra facilities the border controls require.

The anti-French rhetoric to have something to blame the fallout of brexit for is really disturbing to see.
I think you shall find Ashford international was well utilised until Eurostar built ebbsfleet which removed the number of services and was self harming. And yes the French government who own the French rail networks which in turn own Eurostar have a say in the operation's.

During the french election campaign recently the candidates who were appealing for votes from french citizens abroad (in UK and Kent) were slamming the decision of the French state owned rail services on cutting a Kent service.

May I also remind you that our government refused to bail out Eurostar as we would basically be handing money out to the French government for Eurostar who in return have now said headquarters, offices and operations are moving over to France.

As a regular user from Ashford I can say it was well used with the limited service options left. With the recent news of other operators including the Spanish network operator I hope Eurostars days are numbered. Competition with the use of Eurotunnel will hopefully stop the French stranglehold of the service.

May I remind you no French stations have closed, when I've stopped at them before no one got on or off.
 

Dave

TS Founding Member
I think you shall find Ashford international was well utilised until Eurostar built ebbsfleet which removed the number of services and was self harming. And yes the French government who own the French rail networks which in turn own Eurostar have a say in the operation's.

During the french election campaign recently the candidates who were appealing for votes from french citizens abroad (in UK and Kent) were slamming the decision of the French state owned rail services on cutting a Kent service.

May I also remind you that our government refused to bail out Eurostar as we would basically be handing money out to the French government for Eurostar who in return have now said headquarters, offices and operations are moving over to France.

As a regular user from Ashford I can say it was well used with the limited service options left. With the recent news of other operators including the Spanish network operator I hope Eurostars days are numbered. Competition with the use of Eurotunnel will hopefully stop the French stranglehold of the service.

May I remind you no French stations have closed, when I've stopped at them before no one got on or off.

Got to love the passive aggressive use of “may I remind you”

Anyway in response to your very generous reminders…

1) State owned does not mean politicians make operational decisions. I means shock horror a politician fighting an election attacking a state owned operation.

2) Ebsfleet may have indeed been a bad decision, all companies make them. Not sure what that has to do with your xenophobia?

3) Our government did refuse a Eurostar bailout which was certainly political but not because they have a problem giving the French government money. We throw cash at EDF and the various train operators they also own (funny isn’t it how the French make money through public ownership and we sold off all our countries cash generating assets).

4) The French stations haven’t closed because the French government funds their continued operation. If only the UK government didn’t sell of all its stakes and have no financial interest in keeping the service going…. Shocked I tell thee

Anyway so long, and thanks for all the reminders.
 

AstroDan

TS Team
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Steel Vengeance, Cedar Point
It is the UK government who sold off their stakes in the Channel Tunnel and Eurostar,

But that is what the Tories do - sell of our assets to foreign governments.

To my knowledge, the only non-Paris French station that is served is Lille. And, to be fair, Lille is a massive city compared to somewhere like Ashford. Eurostar trains have not called at Calais-Fréthun for a while.
 

Dave

TS Founding Member
It is the UK government who sold off their stakes in the Channel Tunnel and Eurostar,

But that is what the Tories do - sell of our assets to foreign governments.

To my knowledge, the only non-Paris French station that is served is Lille. And, to be fair, Lille is a massive city compared to somewhere like Ashford. Eurostar trains have not called at Calais-Fréthun for a while.

Didn’t know that about Lille, adds even more weight to the idea that the French are not being nasty.
 

SuperMuscleMan

TS Member
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Colossus
Wow that's a bit of an attack. For someone who has accused me of X Y and Z without me stating my political opinions I think you need to re read everything.

Twisting everything I say into an argument?


2) Ebsfleet may have indeed been a bad decision, all companies make them. Not sure what that has to do with your xenophobia?

For example I maybe passionate about the Eurostar service becuase I live by it and actually travel to Europe frequently? Hardly xenophobia when I can class Disneyland Paris as my local park as it's quicker and easier to get to then alton and I am a passholder.

3) Our government did refuse a Eurostar bailout which was certainly political but not because they have a problem giving the French government money. We throw cash at EDF and the various train operators they also own (funny isn’t it how the French make money through public ownership and we sold off all our countries cash generating assets

Operation of a nuclear power station is a necessity. It has no real relevance to your arguement. Eurostar has a licence to use hs1 and Eurotunnel. Other network providers are planning on coming onboard and if Eurostar did fail a replacement would quickly fill the void. But trains and national power infrastructure is very different.

It's a private company that cut up a county in two. I'm allowed and so are others to be pi**ed off that the promised services by Eurostar have been revoked.

What annoys me the most from your responce is that you put people in boxes. I was having discussion but quite simply if people don't agree with your pov then you vilify them and put them into boxes.
 

Rob

TS Team
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Steel Vengeance
It all seems to be getting a little heated in here, so can I please ask that we all keep things civil and not start throwing accusations at each other. Clearly there are some strong feels on the above subject, which is great, but let's have constructive debate without turning it personal.

Thanks.
 

Craig

TS Administrator
Isn't the Forum supposed to be about... you know Disneyland Paris and its rides? Not politics?
It's fine to discuss a very convenient direct transport option from the UK to the park being removed, discussion about a theme park/resort can and should go far beyond just the rides offered. So it's absolutely fine to talk about the reasons for that removal.

As Rob has pointed out, if we can do so respectfully and try and remain constructive and on the topic of this service's removal. Of course if discussion starts to veer into Brexit etc, we have dedicated topics where that discussion can continue if that's what people would like to debate.
 

SuperMuscleMan

TS Member
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Colossus
It's fine to discuss a very convenient direct transport option from the UK to the park being removed, discussion about a theme park/resort can and should go far beyond just the rides offered. So it's absolutely fine to talk about the reasons for that removal.

As Rob has pointed out, if we can do so respectfully and try and remain constructive and on the topic of this service's removal. Of course if discussion starts to veer into Brexit etc, we have dedicated topics where that discussion can continue if that's what people would like to debate.
Totally onboard with that. Transportation to and from dlp has always interested me. The fact that Ashford station has a 3 story permanent advert which is just of the castle always makes me smile when I walk past it in the international station. (Connects to the domestic station via a underground tunnel)
 

geo4chg

TS Member
Had 4 days at Disneyland Paris staying on site at Newport Bay Club. The main Parc Disneyland looked immaculate - the 30th Anniversary celebrations gave it a party atmosphere and everything seemed to have improved from my last visit in terms of snacks, overall food quality, character meet-and-greets and the daytime shows.

Over at the Studios I was really impressed with Avengers Campus - the online videos do not do it justice at all. It is an area you could easily spend 2 hours in without going on a ride, there is literally something happening all the time whether that be a simple walkthrough by Captain America, a dance show with Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor and Loki doing a mini-show or rooftop antics with Spiderman - this all happened when I was there in a 20 minute period while waiting for our PYM Kitchen reservation. The area as a whole looks stunning and detail of theming is up to Disney standard.

I really enjoyed the Spiderman ride, it is 100x the ride Ningago is. It registers movements in a really precise way and is a lot of fun, and my 9yo absolutely loved it. Flight Force facade is really nice as is the queueline - the ride itself is still fun and isn't half as bad as POVs make it look. There are periods of complete darkness where it could do with some lighting to improve the ride, and I think the ride soundtrack could do with being beefed up a little.

We watched Mickey and the Magician which the kids loved, and the production quality was really high West End quality. The Cars Road Trip ride all feels a little temporary and could do with a few more things to look at, but having kept the big set piece but halving the length I think it's an improvement on the old Studio Tour and again, my children really enjoyed it.
 
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