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Do you support graduated driving licenses?
delta79
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Gumbo_B
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I agree completely wth graduated licenses. But only for engine size, hp etc.
Pass your test, up to 1.2 for 5 years. Any motoring offences back to 1.2
For every 5 years no claims/incidents +. 4.
If you're a serial idiot then you can have a golf cart license and nowt else.
Pass your test, up to 1.2 for 5 years. Any motoring offences back to 1.2
For every 5 years no claims/incidents +. 4.
If you're a serial idiot then you can have a golf cart license and nowt else.
Poisson
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My insurance is trashed after having a theft and then somebody driving in to me. Bonus is having permanent back/knee/shoulder injuries to add injuries to insult
Bowser
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Yep, mine was stolen last year and pretty much tripled insurance.
Sorry to hear about your injuries though, that’s awful
There are few things in life worse than the insurance industry ripping people off after no fault claims.
Absolute rip off, no real justification in premium increase at all in no fault claims...just moneymaking.
"OH, but the individual that has claimed has a statistical increased likelihood of further claims in the future."
Show me the evidence!
Double the risk? Really? No. Just extra profit taking after a distressing incident...market wide, so you can't escape. Absolute, unquestionable rip off.
So some people have doubled their risk of an accident because their car was nicked/somebody drove into them while stopped?
No, never.
Liars, but liars in a very solid watertight business of ripping people off.
Insurance is gambling in a dodgy shark filled financial market.
Keep it to an absolute minimum to get best value overall.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is in the industry.
Absolute rip off, no real justification in premium increase at all in no fault claims...just moneymaking.
"OH, but the individual that has claimed has a statistical increased likelihood of further claims in the future."
Show me the evidence!
Double the risk? Really? No. Just extra profit taking after a distressing incident...market wide, so you can't escape. Absolute, unquestionable rip off.
So some people have doubled their risk of an accident because their car was nicked/somebody drove into them while stopped?
No, never.
Liars, but liars in a very solid watertight business of ripping people off.
Insurance is gambling in a dodgy shark filled financial market.
Keep it to an absolute minimum to get best value overall.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is in the industry.
I think restricting engine size for a new driver is very sensible. I doubt many young people could afford anything with a big engine anyway due to the insurance costs these days.
I don’t agree at all with restricting them driving at night. Young people have jobs too and need to get around at night.
Electric cars are an interesting one though because anyone who has driven one knows they accelerate like a space rocket from standstill and will take even an experienced driver by surprise. Not sure how they get around this one unless the car can be programmed to operate at less power. But like buying. 250cc motorbike which has to be regulated to 125cc if you haven’t passed your full test.
I don’t agree at all with restricting them driving at night. Young people have jobs too and need to get around at night.
Electric cars are an interesting one though because anyone who has driven one knows they accelerate like a space rocket from standstill and will take even an experienced driver by surprise. Not sure how they get around this one unless the car can be programmed to operate at less power. But like buying. 250cc motorbike which has to be regulated to 125cc if you haven’t passed your full test.
IanB
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What is trying to be achieved here is a good thing, making the roads safer for everyone, which everyone agrees is good. Where we all have our differences is on how to achieve it. New rules need to ensure they do not add additional burden on the police, prevent young drivers from benefiting from passing their test, and increase the cost for drivers.
We are talking about young drivers, but is a new driver who passes their test at 17, any more dangerous than a new driver who passes their test at 45? They both lack experience on the road.
If lack of experience is what makes young drivers have the most accidents, why not let them start driving earlier so they get more experience? You could let 15 years olds get a provisional licence, and by the time they have turned 17, and get get a full license, they will already have two years of driving experience. This will give them enough time to get used to driving in the dark, rain, and other tricky conditions. With two years experience of driving, and hopefully no claims, it could also make the insurance premiums cheaper.
I do like the ban of no drinking before driving, but maybe this could be introduced in a similar way to the new tabaco ban, where it only applies to those who could never do it?
As for testing drivers, if the car has to go for an MOT every year, then I see no issue with testing drivers. Maybe as part of the license renewal, that could require a medical for the driver, and the license is not renewed without the accompanying medial letter.
I like the idea of the engine size limit, buts its not practical. If the car your family owns is greater than the limit, that means purchasing a new car just for your children. How do you apply it to Electrical Cars? I wonder if the solution for electrical cars is to have a learner mode, so instead of Sports mode, you can put the car in learner mode, and you get less acceleration when your press the throttle? Again, I would not make it enforceable because how would you enforce it, but by adding the option at least it is there to support new drivers.
I also wonder where we will be within ten years with autonomous driving, if that takes the risk out of driving, it could be a great way to make the roads safer for all.
We are talking about young drivers, but is a new driver who passes their test at 17, any more dangerous than a new driver who passes their test at 45? They both lack experience on the road.
If lack of experience is what makes young drivers have the most accidents, why not let them start driving earlier so they get more experience? You could let 15 years olds get a provisional licence, and by the time they have turned 17, and get get a full license, they will already have two years of driving experience. This will give them enough time to get used to driving in the dark, rain, and other tricky conditions. With two years experience of driving, and hopefully no claims, it could also make the insurance premiums cheaper.
I do like the ban of no drinking before driving, but maybe this could be introduced in a similar way to the new tabaco ban, where it only applies to those who could never do it?
As for testing drivers, if the car has to go for an MOT every year, then I see no issue with testing drivers. Maybe as part of the license renewal, that could require a medical for the driver, and the license is not renewed without the accompanying medial letter.
I like the idea of the engine size limit, buts its not practical. If the car your family owns is greater than the limit, that means purchasing a new car just for your children. How do you apply it to Electrical Cars? I wonder if the solution for electrical cars is to have a learner mode, so instead of Sports mode, you can put the car in learner mode, and you get less acceleration when your press the throttle? Again, I would not make it enforceable because how would you enforce it, but by adding the option at least it is there to support new drivers.
I also wonder where we will be within ten years with autonomous driving, if that takes the risk out of driving, it could be a great way to make the roads safer for all.
DiogoJ42
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Interesting you mention "sport mode" there. That's the first thing that needs to go! How is anything like that legal? Even if the actual difference is negligable, it just encourages idiots to think they are on a race track.
If they had to stop using words like "light" in cigarette branding, they should ban any terms in cars that make them sound exciting.
If they had to stop using words like "light" in cigarette branding, they should ban any terms in cars that make them sound exciting.
If you drive very old, tank shed automatics, sport mode often means you can drive it like a normal car, for another hundred thousand miles, before the gearbox actually falls out...
And you have to wait a month before the beast manages to get up on the specialist gearbox mechanics precious ramps.
And you have to wait a month before the beast manages to get up on the specialist gearbox mechanics precious ramps.
Bowser
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There are typically 800,000 new drivers a year and often weeks if not months to wait for a test.
There are 50,000,000 active UK driving licences.
As a wise man once said, ruh roh.
Eh?
Bowser
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Thing is if the government is really truely wanting safer roads then you don’t need all this legislation.
All we need are decent road surfaces free from potholes and where cars, motorbikes and cycles can travel without fear of skidding or hitting a hole which damages their vehicle or worse still causes a fatality.
The fact we are constantly looking at other causes of road accidents rather than the most important thing - the contact between the tyre and the road really annoys me!
All we need are decent road surfaces free from potholes and where cars, motorbikes and cycles can travel without fear of skidding or hitting a hole which damages their vehicle or worse still causes a fatality.
The fact we are constantly looking at other causes of road accidents rather than the most important thing - the contact between the tyre and the road really annoys me!