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  1. Spike

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    Pfff a quick pint next Saturday will fix that ;)
     
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    I agree it's always had a message of compassion and imagination. Really the whole premise was built around that positive message. I do think that any entertainment needs something to either agree with /be inspired by or to object to, it shouldnt be indifferent.

    But now it's changed to be VERY on-the-nose, with box-ticking attempts at political moments that have crept into the episodes. At the end of one episode last series, the Doctor spends 3 minutes bluntly explaining the evils of capitalism to the viewer after the plot has actually finished and we are left with a ham-fisted political message being shoved down our throats. It's not thought provoking or entertaining like it used to be.

    Another episode was a terrible rip off of 1984, most episodes had almost no story unfolding on-screen for viewers to enjoy, so characters stood around shouting 'edgy' political things instead. The Master (my favourite character when I was young) came back to serve no purpose other than to be a pantomime Donald Trump stand-in.

    In some ways Doctor Who's old message message for youngsters was to think for yourself and not see narrow mindedly. Now the message is to think the way the show wants you to think, akin to reading a ranty ill-informed post on Facebook. I don't know if its just lazy misjudged writing or deliberate attempt at propaganda.

    Also as a gay man myself the 'LGBT' message seemed annoying and shoehorned. We've had some fun gay characters in the past, but they weren't put on a pedestal like this in a phoney and embarassing way.

    And I've not even mentioned the terrible waste of Peter Capaldi (great actor) and the scriptwriting which, like Sherlock, has disappeared way up its own bum and mistaken pretentious showing-off as 'clever plot'. I thought it got extremely sentimental and overblown during Matt Smith's time, but now it's gone in an even more bizarre direction and needs to stop.
     
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    I hope with a new show runner that it stop the full on in your face social agenda.

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    There's always a social agenda.

    But the show could be less preachy agreed. t Davis didn't over do the gay characters. Barrowman aside in touchwood. He was toned down but the hint of man on man action was there. Then there was Shakespeare hinting at a dabble in men. Bill was a good companion. But having her and Jodie in the tardis together would make the porn industry happy.

    If the show is to still be preachy I hope they have paid Jodie as much as capaldi!!!
     
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    RTD did the doctor who social agenda in such a way, that is was so natural it felt right.

    He wrote strong in your face homosexual character, that fitted the story. Queer as folk, is a brilliant piece to show this. And worked so well.
    Then he wrote every day homosexual characters. That did a lot to show they homosexuals are normal people not stereotypes.
    We need RTD type of writing back in Doctor who.

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    Did the BBC cut all the sex scenes in the last series Torchwood then? Because I wouldn't call what RTD did there a 'hint', unless the Beeb did cut it (I only saw the Starz version which made GoT look tame).

    BTW Auntie already said Jodie is getting the same wage.
     
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    Torchwood was the adult spin off, and had some scenes that where more queer as folk than DW. However that was the brief for it.
     
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    Full episode in the last series full of barrowman and bloke in and out of bed.
     
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    I'll use this topic instead of starting a new one.
    Doctor Who Series 12 Episode 1
    Spoilers below
    I was not expecting that twist villain!
     
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