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Drayton Manor Park

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To me it sounds like the issue wasn’t with the fact she fell out, but more the time it took for Drayton to respond to the incident once it happened.

That’s very different to them being prosecuted for the fact she fell out. Only time will tell I guess.
 
I can’t speak on that, we just don’t have the full facts yet, which will be revealed in the next couple of weeks. I am unaware of the ramifications of corporate manslaughter, but it worries me greatly.
 
Sauron97 said:
I can’t speak on that, we just don’t have the full facts yet, which will be revealed in the next couple of weeks. I am unaware of the ramifications of corporate manslaughter, but it worries me greatly.
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Could Drayton Manor potentially close permanently if they are found guilty of corporate manslaughter, out of interest? If they do close permanently, then it would be very sad, in my opinion; I thought Drayton was a lovely park when I went on Wednesday, and I'm sure they have done things to improve. The accident was of course devastating, and my thoughts go out to everyone involved in it, but Drayton does not seem like an unsafe park to me.
 
Matt N said:
Could Drayton Manor potentially close permanently if they are found guilty of corporate manslaughter, out of interest? If they do close permanently, then it would be very sad, in my opinion; I thought Drayton was a lovely park when I went on Wednesday, and I'm sure they have done things to improve. The accident was of course devastating, and my thoughts go out to everyone involved in it, but Drayton does not seem like an unsafe park to me.
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We don't know what the maximum fine is for corporate manslaughter, but I would be absolutely devastated if the park went bust. :( Anyway, we also don't know what evidence the CPS have againt Drayton.
 
skyscraper said:
We don't know what the maximum fine is for corporate manslaughter, but I would be absolutely devastated if the park went bust. :( Anyway, we also don't know what evidence the CPS have againt Drayton.
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I more meant would the HSE force a prohibition notice on Drayton Manor's operation, like they did on The Smiler?
 
I noticed big time that the staff operating the rides check everything at least twice.
Like for instant on Cranky they let the guests can and sit down. Then the operate opens the control box and presses the release button so the bars can come down then locks it again. They put the seats down and pull put the seat belt on and pull it right on every seat then go round again to check if they not missed any. Then they check to see if the exit and entrance gates are locked then open the control box and start the ride.
After every guest is off the ride they then open the exit gate.
I like the fact they ask guests if they ok before they start any of there rides.
It’s quite sad that we seeing what looks like the end of water rides at uk parks with Merlin removing the flume and closing Loggers leap with Drayton closed maybe forever
 
"Having fallen into the water, Evha began walking towards her friends who were in the vessel as it was pulled away by the water current.

"For a few minutes, Evha followed the vessel trying to get back to safety and to rejoin the vessel, because her friends were still in it.

"Sadly, at that stage she received no help and was eventually sucked under the water."

Are they expecting staff to jump in to the water and risk their own lives?
I presume the emergency drainage was activated. Given the accident happened at the end of the course/lowest point of the course, it makes sense that it would take time to drain given the water would accumulate at this point, so of course the drainage cannot happen magically.
Quite frankly, the vindictiveness at Drayton comes across as disgusting, especially when there is so little evidence that they are in any way to blame. Is everything about blaming, and money? I know it's tragic and all, but to me, it's rather petty, and belittling of the girls memory to be pursuing this case.
 
JackFitzy said:
Allegations. Innocent until proven quilty.
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Not in society, or some courts today, you're guilty just because now, evidence isn't required, just an opinion.

This corporate manslaughter move is, how shall I say, politically motivated, so bloody obvious, I probably shouldn't say much more than that since what I would say got me banned from another forum and I quiet like it here.

Sauron97 said:
Are they expecting staff to jump in to the water and risk their own lives?
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In short, yes.
 
All depends on the quality of lawyer, and would imagine after the Smiler stuff these people will be desperate to get "suitable compensation", regardless of the steps that led to the actual incident...

By looks of things it's an attempt to push for a quicker decision in their favour... The corporate manslaughter allegation trying to deflect from the factor that it was the action of the child in question that resulted in the accident, and I think most of the public realise that...
 
Sauron97 said:
"Having fallen into the water, Evha began walking towards her friends who were in the vessel as it was pulled away by the water current.

"For a few minutes, Evha followed the vessel trying to get back to safety and to rejoin the vessel, because her friends were still in it.

"Sadly, at that stage she received no help and was eventually sucked under the water."

Are they expecting staff to jump in to the water and risk their own lives?
I presume the emergency drainage was activated. Given the accident happened at the end of the course/lowest point of the course, it makes sense that it would take time to drain given the water would accumulate at this point, so of course the drainage cannot happen magically.
Quite frankly, the vindictiveness at Drayton comes across as disgusting, especially when there is so little evidence that they are in any way to blame. Is everything about blaming, and money? I know it's tragic and all, but to me, it's rather petty, and belittling of the girls memory to be pursuing this case.
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You said you presume the emergency drainage was activated. But that’s the point you don’t know what happened, none of us do.

It wasn’t until after the Smiler court case that it came to light exactly what went wrong and the number of mistakes the staff had made that day. I for one was surprised at the number of failures in operating standards, and this could well be this case here with Drayton. But we just don’t know yet.

Let’s wait and see instead of presuming and blaming the family as money grabbers or H&S gone mad.

The police must feel there is enough evidence for a coroporate manslaughter charge otherwise they wouldn’t put it forward, but it’s not even been decided yet, let alone an actual court case. There is still a long way to go.
 
AT86 said:
You said you presume the emergency drainage was activated. But that’s the point you don’t know what happened, none of us do.
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Like all Rapids rides, there is no 'emergency' drainage. You either have the pumps on or you have them off. The E-Stop will just stop all platforms, belts and pumps, but it will not drain the ride any quicker than normal. It already drains as fast as possible when the pumps switch off, which is down to the laws of physics. If an emergency drainage system was possible, it would be useless anyway. There is a big risk of the boats catching the logs strapped to the base of the channel that create the rapids and capsizing the boats, if the water levels were low. In other words you could not just take the water out the ride with boats mid course anyway. If it were possible.

I worked on Splash Canyon many years ago. Along with most of the rides at Drayton.
 
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AT86 said:
The police must feel there is enough evidence for a coroporate manslaughter charge otherwise they wouldn’t put it forward, but it’s not even been decided yet, let alone an actual court case. There is still a long way to go
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It's nothing to do with the Police, it's the CPS that decide whether charges should be filed or not, as I said it's politically motivated and that idiot in charge or the CPS wants her legacy to be more than just allegations of covering up child abuse in numerous places and hundreds of failed rape cases, so having enough evidence may not come into it at all. Securing a high profile corporate manslaughter conviction (that'll probably be overturned at appeal in five years long after her retirement) will be the only motivation here other than the aforementioned political motivation.
 
IanSR said:
It's nothing to do with the Police, it's the CPS that decide whether charges should be filed or not, as I said it's politically motivated and that idiot in charge or the CPS wants her legacy to be more than just allegations of covering up child abuse in numerous places and hundreds of failed rape cases, so having enough evidence may not come into it at all. Securing a high profile corporate manslaughter conviction (that'll probably be overturned at appeal in five years long after her retirement) will be the only motivation here.
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While the CPS do give a charging decision. That decision only comes from the evidence the police have gathered and put forward to the CPS. The police must think they have enough evidence for the CPS to charge. But ultimately the decision to charge lies with the CPS. It has a lot to do with the police, as there would be no case whatsoever without them and the evidence they have gathered.
 
Yes, the Police only gather evidence and may make a recommendation, but they ultimately don't decide anything. The CPS could decide there isn't enough evidence to secure a conviction and drop it and we could all be mulling over nothing here, but as I said, I don't think so.
 
IanSR said:
Not in society, or some courts today, you're guilty just because now, evidence isn't required, just an opinion.
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What are you talking about? What courts are these?

IanSR said:
This corporate manslaughter move is, how shall I say, politically motivated, so bloody obvious, I probably shouldn't say much more than that since what I would say got me banned from another forum and I quiet like it here.
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In what possible sense could these charges be "politically motivated"? They're being brought against Drayton Manor, not the Russian government. Do you actually know what the term means?
 
Ah, forgive me on that one, I’ve never worked on the ride (or any Intamin rapids for that matter), the emergency drainage was a presumption. The part at the end would still take the longest to drain, however, so my point still stands on this.

Listening to what you are saying about the CPS @IanSR , it really does make sense, and now that the park is seemingly in the limelight in the mainstream media for blame, unfortunately it may well be true.

I accept that we still know very little and am basing my judgement on what I do know, but very soon I’m sure we’ll get a wider picture on the data, and then be able to confirm our suspicions
 
Corporate manslughter my arse, Lifeguarding 101 do not put yourself at risk.

The accident is a case of someone disobeying the rules. If they put themselves in danger then it's there fault if something goes wrong.

If someone was running around the pool with 100's of lifeguards and then they fall over, hit their head and fall in and bleed out would the family sue however owns the pool? No.
 
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