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Dreamland Margate: General Discussion

As you have said...all down to one set of management overall on one site.
pluk said:
People will randomly die after drugs use, whether at a festival or elsewhere, and with all the will in the world there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to stop that beyond the individual making alternative choices.
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It can be managed appropriately to keep deaths down to a minimum, and such support is usually specified under licensing and insurance.
Not so random really, if first aid is about with suitable monitoring...less random people die.
Glastonbury being a good example of good management and supervision.
 
Funcone said:
There was also an incident last year where a tea cups fell of their tea cups, and the Scenic Railway crashed which the HSE has since said was probably caused by a lack of maintenance, including rotten and split wood and rusty nails.
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Funcone said:
In this case though we have got an amusement park where in the space of about a year two rides have had significant accidents (in at least one case the HSE has indicated there was a reasonable degree of negligence)
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Have you got any links to anything regarding HSE's involvement with the Scenic Railway incident?

I had a quick look yesterday and couldn't see anything obvious online where HSE had commented on the incident. I might just be searching for the wrong thing, but it seems unusual that no media outlets seem to have picked up on a story like that.

Equally, it would be interesting to see what prompted HSE's involvement, as from what was reported at the time, it doesn't seem like something they'd necessarily pick up on, given there were no significant injuries reported.
 
Squiggs said:
Have you got any links to anything regarding HSE's involvement with the Scenic Railway incident?

I had a quick look yesterday and couldn't see anything obvious online where HSE had commented on the incident. I might just be searching for the wrong thing, but it seems unusual that no media outlets seem to have picked up on a story like that.

Equally, it would be interesting to see what prompted HSE's involvement, as from what was reported at the time, it doesn't seem like something they'd necessarily pick up on, given there were no significant injuries reported.
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I don't think the HSE has explicitly commented on the Scenic Railway accident publicly. But they have talked about an investigation into a derailment on a wooden roller coaster at an amusement park in the South East of England last summer, which is likely to be the one on the Scenic Railway. I understand that they've discussed the investigation at a number of safety conferences, although I haven't personally been at them. Based on what the HSE has said at the conferences, the ADIPS blog and a couple of safety magazines have referred to the incident and the investigation.

Update by HSE to FJAC Committee on 12 Sept 2024 - ADIPS

Update notes by Health & Safety Executive Inspector David Kivlin for FJAC Committee meeting on 12 September 2024
adips.co.uk adips.co.uk

After this, wooden roller coaster inspections were listed as one of the top priorities for the HSE's inspection team and UK theme parks with a wooden roller coaster were notified that the HSE might be inspecting their wooden roller coasters to check the condition of them. More recently the HSE said that all their inspections on wooden roller coasters in the UK had been completed.

You're right, it is unusual for the HSE to do such a long investigation into an incident that hasn't injured anyone and I too haven't seen it referred to in the mainstream media. Purely speculating here, and I don't have any inside information, but I suspect the HSE's decision to investigate it may be partly if they saw it as being part of a potential pattern, for example following the accident on the tea cups not long before. But that's just speculation.
 
rob666 said:
It can be managed appropriately to keep deaths down to a minimum, and such support is usually specified under licensing and insurance.
Not so random really, if first aid is about with suitable monitoring...less random people die.
Glastonbury being a good example of good management and supervision.
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But not ever down to none.
 
Nobody said down to none.

What was said was, "to keep deaths down to a minimum".

We don't know what the organisers and management did to minimise risks to life.

That was the point being made.

Glastonbury, despite very large crowds, has been successful overall in keeping deaths from "partying" down despite attendance at very large levels.

Perhaps Dreamland could learn by comparing their policy and procedures to those used at Glastonbury.
 
rob666 said:
Nobody said down to none.
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It's hard to read this otherwise...

rob666 said:
People shouldn't end up dead because it is hot and they are "partying" at a festival.
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So people will.

I think it's very harsh to speculate that there the site is doing something wrong when 2 deaths have occurred a year apart, and even then the second death being drug related is just speculation.

We dont know what the organisers and managers didn't do to prevent loss of life, but we also dont know what they did do to prevent loss of life. It could be they did everything reasonable and foreseeable and this is still the result. People full of drugs will occasionally die and it can be noone else's fault.
 
If someone partied too hard, that is 100% their own fault, and nothing to do with the park. Could the park have toughened up security and strip searched everyone who entered just in case one person in fifty wanted to get high? Maybe. But if someone wants to take a substance and they aren't harming or putting anyone else in danger? Let them.
 
pluk said:
...It's hard to read this otherwise...
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Sorry, but the forum system doesn't print all the quotes within quotes, but again...
I never said none.
"People shouldn't end up dead because it is hot and they are "partying" at a festival."
No mention of none...
Evidence and inference.
 
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