Sam said:Well, no I haven't, so I accept that this is just based on photos and videos. But I honestly can't understand what can be that good about it, from watching videos. It simply looks like a really good Figure-of-Eight woodie. I'm willing to accept that there might be something I'm missing, but I'm also suspicious that its absurdly high ranking might be due to people's sentimentality and gratitude towards Knoebels for saving the ride in 1985.