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God- Real Or Not?

Do you think that God exists?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 20.8%

  • No

    Votes: 31 64.6%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 7 14.6%
  • Total voters
    48
Dar said:
To me, that's incredibly cruel and manipulative. If someone has feelings for a person but they're not allowed to act on them to stay on god's good side, they're the actions of a narcissist deity not an all-loving one.
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I think I see where you are coming from here...

I am not educated enough or experienced enough to make any sort of judgement on gay practice, and I have no idea whether the Christian God is against it or not, but I do know that God get's angry at sin, not at you. When you become a Christian, you don't try not to sin because you want to stay on Gods 'good side', in fact, God doesn't want us to feel like that. You try not to sin because God has done something huge for you.

Imagine you had a huge debt to pay off, and a friend paid it for you. You wouldn't just take the money and push them aside, you would thank them, and perhaps give them a gift in return. It's basically the same with Christianity.
 
SomeCrazyPerson said:
I think I see where you are coming from here...

I am not educated enough or experienced enough to make any sort of judgement on gay practice, and I have no idea whether the Christian God is against it or not, but I do know that God get's angry at sin, not at you. When you become a Christian, you don't try not to sin because you want to stay on Gods 'good side', in fact, God doesn't want us to feel like that. You try not to sin because God has done something huge for you.

Imagine you had a huge debt to pay off, and a friend paid it for you. You wouldn't just take the money and push them aside, you would thank them, and perhaps give them a gift in return. It's basically the same with Christianity.
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That's fair enough, but why do they feel the need to test us? Is living well and following the rules not good enough so they have to send natural disasters, war, famine and plague down just to make sure our faith is still strong? Surely an all-knowing being would know who the good apples and who they bad apples are without having to resort to such barbaric tactics.

(p.s. this isn't an attack on you personally, but the points you've made. It just seems like you're the only one to defend them so far :p )
 
Who's to say God does or doesn't exist?

Who's to say a Flying Spaghetti Monster does or doesn't exist?
 
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SomeCrazyPerson said:
I am not educated enough or experienced enough to make any sort of judgement on gay practice.
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Gay practice? Do you mean anal sex? Or the (obviously incredibly varied) morals and ethics of the gay community?

The other sensations of love, commitment and trust are pretty sexuality neutral.
 
If you mean the god of the bible, or any other god, then no. I'm not aware of any religion that hasn't had most of its claims proven false. I think the history of them, which is easy to research, speaks for themselves and that instead morality should be constantly evolving in accordance with advancements in science and philosophy. That said, if religion works for someone, they're welcome to it, there's some great lessons in them, whether they were the first to teach them or not (the Ten Commandments being lifted from the Egyptian Book Of The Dead foe example), things like the Golden Rule are great things to live by regardless of where you get taught it from. I used to be big on the whole militant atheism thing, but I've grown up a bit and realised that Richard Dawkins is a terrible human to look up to.

So basically, examine in depth all the philosophies, ideologies, religions, etc you can find and choose which ones make the most sense to you and let others do the same.
 
Dar said:
That's fair enough, but why do they feel the need to test us? Is living well and following the rules not good enough so they have to send natural disasters, war, famine and plague down just to make sure our faith is still strong? Surely an all-knowing being would know who the good apples and who they bad apples are without having to resort to such barbaric tactics.

(p.s. this isn't an attack on you personally, but the points you've made. It just seems like you're the only one to defend them so far :p )
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You know, I struggle with these issues too. :p Let me say again, it isn't about following the rules, it is a personal relationship with God. I'm really quite uncertain why there are such things as natural disasters, but based on the Bible, I doubt it is to strengthen our faith, and is probably something to with the fact that the world is imperfect. (vauge, I know but it is the best I can do right now:blush:)

Plastic Person said:
Gay practice? Do you mean anal sex? Or the (obviously incredibly varied) morals and ethics of the gay community?

The other sensations of love, commitment and trust are pretty sexuality neutral.
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Gay practise, as in generally having a sexual relationship with a person the same gender as you.
 
Ash said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, nobody has ever produced any to support the idea of a invisible, all seeing, all knowing being.
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If someone had then the following would of happened ;D

The Final Proof of the non-Existence of God was proved by a Babel Fish.

Now, it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. QED"

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
 
I just don't think there is any truth to religions, anything that wants
  1. money,
  2. you to do as you are told and
  3. to believe what you are told without question is only there to control the population.

I can understand how people would make up stories when there were massive lightning storms as to what is happening but now we can explain things there is no need for a god that throws lightning bolts.

Also I think this graphic sums up things well.

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I don't know, nor care, its beyond my knowledge whether a God exists, it's an entity impossible to prove or disprove exists.

But I find atheists constantly mocking and disproving God and religion irritating, it would do the world a favour for hard-core atheists to learn something about religion, learn what it means to people, how it gives them, faith, hope, comfort.

Sometimes I look at atheists and see the same ignorance that I see in religious fanaticism.
So blind by their beliefs (or disbelief) that they don't care who they hurt along the way as long as every person on the planet shares their faith.

Is believing in God, such a bad thing? Does it hurt you if your neighbour has faith? No. so stop being a prick trying to prove them wrong, just live with it.
 
If the act of believing give people a means to live life happy. Then who has the right to destroy it.
As long as you are a good person, does it really matter if God exists or not. As there is only two outcomes

1. God really exists and you get into heaven
2. God Does not exists, and you been good to your fellow humans though your life.

Being a good person is a win win for everyone.
 
I'm an agnostic atheist who goes to a catholic school... and no my parents aren't religious. When we have mass and the Catholic students and teachers pray it all seems a little too organised and "cult-like" too me.
 
I go to/went to a Catholic Sixth Form. If you stand up and sit down at the right times, you are fine. Yes it was very cult like, a tad scary at times :p
 
What's the difference between a normal school and a Catholic school?
 
People can believe what they want. Who am I to judge peoples beliefs? But I expect people to treat me with the same respect.

I am Agnostic. I hold the view of if i'm supposed to know, I either should know, or will know later on down the line, but until then, I lead my life the way I want.

But then again, if god existed, he'd realise that stuff's got well out of hand now and if there was any time to make an appearance now would be pretty perfect.

Either way, life is scary. Think about it too much and you start to get a bit disturbed.
 
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