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God- Real Or Not?

Do you think that God exists?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 20.8%

  • No

    Votes: 31 64.6%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 7 14.6%
  • Total voters
    48
Blaze said:
there's likely to be a point where practically everything else has been answered by science, so we'll just have that question, what started the universe, god or no god
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If there is going to be a show to debate God or No God, I hope Noel Edmonds is not hosting it. ;)
 
DiogoJ42 said:
What if we don't think we are? If anything, I suspect I aren't.
In fact, I only think I'm thinking, therefore I probably am not.
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Being serious though, it doesn't really matter if you think you aren't, unless somehow Quantum Superposition actually invades this as well resulting in you creating a "many world" result that means you aren't more, but this I doubt because it would alter the very premise of what you are to observe being, what you are. Because without it, you couldn't observe!
 
not meaning to be rude or nothing but excuse my scepticism.

Where is the soul? What is it made of?
Do other living things have one? Dogs? Cats? Insects? Viruses?
At what point during development in the womb do we get one and where from?
At what point in evolution did we get one?
What difference would it make if I didn't have one?

Where can I sell it?
 
I've never seen anything myself that suggests any genuinely supernatural goings on, but from a truly scientific perspective if there were to be any concrete proof of such phenomena existing then we'd have to re-write the textbooks.

All I do know is that our subconscious is far more powerful than most people realise, and the true talents of our brains are truly extraordinary - just watch one of Derren Brown's shows for a look the possibilities.
 
I believe in a higher being, a supernatural being that overlooks all of our lives.

Let us all pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, his noodly appendage.

He boiled for our sins, ramen.
 
I find it really strange how talk of anything spiritual or of a higher being etc seems to get peoples backs up so much?

Wrote a long post, decided to delete it.

Thought more of this forums certain members than to show such a high degree of insensitivity. Out of respect for those involved, I'll be leaving this debate alone and deleting the other posts.

I love good debate, but this isn't one.
 
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The subconscious is the brain working as it is programmed to, we know we have one because it's self evident by the way our body runs itself.

But claims of a metaphysical soul existing is always going to be met with cynicism, especially if it takes a near-death experience to 'find' it. Is it really that insensitive to ask questions when all you did was assert it exists because you say you know it does? I Didn't mean to be offensive, I was honestly curious.
 
Blaze said:
The subconscious is the brain working as it is programmed to, we know we have one because it's self evident by the way our body runs itself.

But claims of a metaphysical soul existing is always going to be met with cynicism, especially if it takes a near-death experience to 'find' it. Is it really that insensitive to ask questions when all you did was assert it exists because you say you know it does? I Didn't mean to be offensive, I was honestly curious.
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Why would it not require an NDE to find it? We are obviously here if this is the case to experience the physical realm, it would be altogether pointless to experience it as a pure energy.

There's so much all be it circumstantial evidence of it to the inquisitive mind. Anyway I wasn't on about you I know you well enough, hence I left my response to you up. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
I've had enough hallucinations and sleep paralasis episodes to know that seeing is not believing. The human mind is a mysterious thing. I've woken up, unable to move, to see a gray alien standing over me ... Doesn't mean they exist.
 
I do genuinely think we don't use our brains to our full potential, and there are parts that are probably locked off waiting to be awoken.

But who knows really, it'd be nice if we are more than what we think we are.
 
But we can show with fMRI that nearly all of our brains work, just not all at the same time.

Different parts are specialised for different things, I wouldn't want the bit responsible for toilet functions to be active whilst I was having a conversation, for example.

I'm very skeptical about claims about souls and what-not. I've yet to see any evidence that anything paranormal hasn't or can't be disproved scientifically.

If people want to believe in souls and God, that's fine but they should be prepared to be questioned on it, just as atheist people should be.
 
Things like the placebo effect show there's lots of untapped potential in our minds. But I think to chalk the power of the brain up to some nebulous spirit is to disrespect the millions of years of the evolutionary arms race our brains have gone through.
 
Blaze said:
Things like the placebo effect show there's lots of untapped potential in our minds. But I think to chalk the power of the brain up to some nebulous spirit is to disrespect the millions of years of the evolutionary arms race our brains have gone through.
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So what about the 1000s of years of spiritual masters who have consistently come to the same conclusions totally independently of each other?

Also, the "junk" DNA? Because that's what nature does isn't it, leaves a ton of unused DNA and brain space for no reason.

How about the consciousness leap?

Just have a look around at modern science and really, to sit and think it's just as simple as evolution is almost ironically more archaic and outdated by evidence than religious views were by science.

Explain how atoms have consciousness.

I am not saying evolution is not a critical component incidentally. But when we are learning more and more about energy and consciousness from a quantum mechanical perspective, it just bewilders me how people are still clinging on to reductionist materialist science alone.

Time to put down the biology book and pick up a physics one, seriously.
 
I think I'll listen to the modern scientists over people who didn't know where the sun goes at night. Those old mystics live on as weed fuelled new age hippies who think LSD takes them to other dimensions when it's just doing chemical things to their brain. There's nothing in physics about consciousness, it's all woo. Where does this 'life energy' or whatever come from? How do you convert it to and from the other forms of energy? I assume it obeys the laws of conservation?

I don't think I need a soul. I have compassion, I care for the planet and the things on it, I feel emotion and all that, and it all had an evolutionary benefit, do I really need a soul for all that? If not, then what's the point of one and what difference does it make? If we do need one for all that, why?
 
Blaze said:
I don't think I need a soul. I have compassion, I care for the planet and the things on it, I feel emotion and all that, and it all had an evolutionary benefit, do I really need a soul for all that? If not, then what's the point of one and what difference does it make? If we do need one for all that, why?
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But how can you say for sure it isn't a soul that drives you to do that?

And I am talking about quantum physics here, not woo or new age stuff. I was saying that science came along and disproved what you were saying about the sun etc, that's well documented, but now theoretical and multi dimensional physics is leading to a further scientific understanding of the complexity of existence.

If we are ONLY physical, what would be the point in there being multiple dimensions existing simultaneously, is it not possible this is to facilitate existence itself in superposition?
 
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