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Ride Access Pass Systems and Disabled Access (pre 2024)

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BarryZola said:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/01/moth...g-let-autistic-son-skip-lines-rides-12929849/

Mother loses court battle against Disney when she can't get her son free fast-track. Judge uses common sense and uses example of how people abusing the system in a similar way would seriously undermine throughput on rides.
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The judge is spot on with their assessment. The system the mother was asking for is very similar to the old system Legoland used to use. I remember seeing how badly that was abused. On some of the lower capacity rides the disabled queue could get as long as the main queue. As a result the people with serious Autism couldn't actually ride as using a pass still involved queuing.
Unsurprisingly when they brought in a fairer system (closer to what Disney use) they were slammed with complaints, mainly by people annoyed they'd closed the loophole.
 
Tim said:
The judge is spot on with their assessment. The system the mother was asking for is very similar to the old system Legoland used to use. I remember seeing how badly that was abused. On some of the lower capacity rides the disabled queue could get as long as the main queue. As a result the people with serious Autism couldn't actually ride as using a pass still involved queuing.
Unsurprisingly when they brought in a fairer system (closer to what Disney use) they were slammed with complaints, mainly by people annoyed they'd closed the loophole.
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At Disney it got so bad under the old system that people were hiring themselves out as tour guides to give queue jump.

I was reading a thread on a Disney forum about this case and found this very interesting
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...-date-set-feb-2020.960478/page-8#post-9306618
The GAC Study showed that 11% of riders on Space Mountain, 13% of riders on Splash
Mountain, and 30% on Toy Story Mania used a GAC pass to access the ride. Disney’s industrial
engineers concluded that the small portion of the guest population who held GAC pass was
consuming a substantial portion of the ride capacity. For example, guests with a GAC pass were
riding Toy Story Mania an average of ten times more than guests who did not have a GAC pass.
GAC guests were riding Toy Story Mania on average two to three times a day, whereas guests
without a GAC had only a 0.3 chance of getting on the ride even once.
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So the old system was so badly abused, 30% of Toy Story Mania riders had a pass before they changed to the new timed system!
 
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Oh would you look at that, Alton found a solution Chessington could have employed on rattlesnake but chose not to.

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imanautie said:
Oh would you look at that, Alton found a solution Chessington could have employed on rattlesnake but chose not to.

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Towers don't have a wild mouse, so I'm guessing what you are trying to compare is not comparable?
 
imanautie said:
I'm comparing the exit queue line to another exit queue line.
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Are you being deliberately ambiguous to stop me pointing out the obvious differences between whatever it is you think is comparable? I can't think of any ride at Towers with anything like as restricted and narrow access as Rattlesnake.
 
pluk said:
Are you being deliberately ambiguous to stop me pointing out the obvious differences between whatever it is you think is comparable? I can't think of any ride at Towers with anything like as restricted and narrow access as Rattlesnake.
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Towers has a few rides where it's not possible for someone exiting and someone entering via rap to social distance (Oblivion and spinball spring to mind).
That's what I'm comparing.

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imanautie said:
Towers has a few rides where it's not possible for someone exiting and someone entering via rap to social distance (Oblivion and spinball spring to mind).
That's what I'm comparing.

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Both have LOOOAAADDDS more space and easier access than Rattlesnake. So no.

What specifically is it Towers have done which is directly comparable with Rattlesnake?
 
pluk said:
Both have LOOOAAADDDS more space and easier access than Rattlesnake. So no.

What specifically is it Towers have done which is directly comparable with Rattlesnake?
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I believe I already said, radio up to clear the path.

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imanautie said:
I believe I already said, radio up to clear the path.

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No you didn't.

Oblivion I'm guessing? Where the ride car carrying loads of people comes in, unloads and clears while the next is still being filled, leaving a good amount of time and a much more spacious area at both ends of the walkway. Rather than Rattlesnake which has a constant procession of just 4 people at a time where one group would not have cleared the winding walkway to the exit before the next group disembarks, and no room anywhere.

So no, not even remotely comparable.
 
pluk said:
No you didn't.

Oblivion I'm guessing? Where the ride car carrying loads of people comes in, unloads and clears while the next is still being filled, leaving a good amount of time and a much more spacious area at both ends of the walkway. Rather than Rattlesnake which has a constant procession of just 4 people at a time where one group would not have cleared the winding walkway to the exit before the next group disembarks, and no room anywhere.

So no, not even remotely comparable.
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Apologies, I got mixed up between different places I was mentioning this, but yeah it's hold back, host radios the op, ops gives permission to send them up.

Spinballs probably closer operationally to rattlesnake in terms of slower clearing off the exit walkway.

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imanautie said:
Apologies, I got mixed up between different places I was mentioning this, but yeah it's hold back, host radios the op, ops gives permission to send them up.

Spinballs probably closer operationally to rattlesnake in terms of slower clearing off the exit walkway.

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But spinballs exit is tiny in length and not landlocked. Honestly, neither have anything like the issues Rattlesnake has at all.
 
I know this is from 2017, but I've just seen it and it's shocking. Hope Chessy are better with Wheelchair guests now!

 
Just watched one of their vlogs from Disney's Blizzard Beach... on the family raft slide the staff put the wheelchair in a raft and sent it down, then the family followed in their own raft :tearsofjoy:
Only at Disney lol :)


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skyscraper said:
Just watched one of their vlogs from Disney's Blizzard Beach... on the family raft slide the staff put the wheelchair in a raft and sent it down, then the family followed in their own raft :tearsofjoy:
Only at Disney lol :)


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Disney are a lot more accommodating than other Parks around the world (and not in a bad way) I think it's one of the only companies where 95% of the rides have special ride vehicles / access for disabled guests.
 
Is RAP still available on all rides? I'll be visiting for Scarefest with someone in a wheelchair. I know Oblivion, Smiler, Nemesis, Galactica and Rita still have theirs as I saw them when visiting in July. Just thinking with Thirteen, you usually walk up the exit path so can't see how it'd be possible.
 
Danscott22 said:
Is RAP still available on all rides? I'll be visiting for Scarefest with someone in a wheelchair. I know Oblivion, Smiler, Nemesis, Galactica and Rita still have theirs as I saw them when visiting in July. Just thinking with Thirteen, you usually walk up the exit path so can't see how it'd be possible.
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Plus they've put dummies in the back car, where RAP guests are usually seated. Might be worth contacting the park for more info.
 
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