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Ride Access Pass Systems and Disabled Access (pre 2024)

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RIPCorky said:
That's all well and fine providing everyone who has a RAP is being honest about needing one
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That's still a seperate issue then the current restrictions when not busy, and it's an issue I'll admit merlin are making progress towards via the seemingly uk industry wide Push to having nimbus check.
 
imanautie said:
That's still a seperate issue then the current restrictions when not busy, and it's an issue I'll admit merlin are making progress towards via the seemingly uk industry wide Push to having nimbus check.
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Maybe I'm incorrect but I genuinely don't believe they would turn away someone from a ride who is unable to walk round the normal queue when the park isn't busy.
 
RIPCorky said:
Maybe I'm incorrect but I genuinely don't believe they would turn away someone from a ride who is unable to walk round the normal queue when the park isn't busy.
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That happened to me on both Oblivion and Thirteen back in 2018. Both were walk-on but they saw my wristband (at the batch point on Blivvy and in the air gates on Thirteen) then I had to wait at the exit.
 
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Skyscraper said:
That happened to me on both Oblivion and Thirteen back in 2018. Both were walk-on but they saw my wristband (at the back point on Blivvy and during the restraint check on Thirteen) then I had to wait at the exit.
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Did they let you ride eventually and did they put you in the designated RAP row?
 
Reasonable adjustments.

RAP was not working for people who needed RAP, nor was it working for everyone else in park as it ground everything to a halt. The consequences of facilitating access on that basis were patently not reasonable.

This system facilitates access on much more equal footing, and most importantly actually facilitates access for those that cannot wait in a line, while everyone still gets to ride everything they want to once.

Merlin will also have the data for how many rides a guest using regular lines will get on in a day, and I'm sure it would be closely equitable with what this system facilitates. I think you will have to remember as a fan boy who wants to ride things repeatedly you are likely to be something of an outlier.

Some rides have limited numbers of seats for RAP users, some have different loading procedures, some days queues are longer some shorter. You can't have a system where we'd get to the point that on this ride here you can ride twice if the gate figure is x but this one can only be once and this one can be unlimited unless x happens. It'd be an unfathomable mess.

It's also worth noting other parks have used this exact same system for a long time with out particular complaint or as far as I am aware any legal challenge.

On a very busy day RAP users will have a small advantage (or a considerable advantage if they are also able/allowed ro use regular lines), on very quiet days RAP users will have a slight disadvantage if they can't also use regulay lines. This middle ground is entirely reasonable and not at all discrimatory.
 
pluk said:
Reasonable adjustments.

RAP was not working for people who needed RAP, nor was it working for everyone else in park as it ground everything to a halt. The consequences of facilitating access on that basis were patently not reasonable.

This system facilitates access on much more equal footing, and most importantly actually facilitates access for those that cannot wait in a line, while everyone still gets to ride everything they want to once.

Merlin will also have the data for how many rides a guest using regular lines will get on in a day, and I'm sure it would be closely equitable with what this system facilitates. I think you will have to remember as a fan boy who wants to ride things repeatedly you are likely to be something of an outlier.

Some rides have limited numbers of seats for RAP users, some have different loading procedures, some days queues are longer some shorter. You can't have a system where we'd get to the point that on this ride here you can ride twice if the gate figure is x but this one can only be once and this one can be unlimited unless x happens. It'd be an unfathomable mess.

It's also worth noting other parks have used this exact same system for a long time with out particular complaint or as far as I am aware any legal challenge.

On a very busy day RAP users will have a small advantage (or a considerable advantage if they are also able/allowed ro use regular lines), on very quiet days RAP users will have a slight disadvantage if they can't also use regulay lines. This middle ground is entirely reasonable and not at all discrimatory.
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Reasonable adjustments don't mean be lazy have one rule in place all the time...
 
pluk said:
They also don't mean destroy the ability for anyone to enjoy the place to facilitate access. Any resolution would have to be reasonably simple to be workable and consistent. Reasonably.
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Other parks that don't limit rap like that have shown it's a merlin issue,not an issue with the adjustment
 
WillPS said:
There are other levers they can pull, like managing the rate people enter the RAP queue (i.e. a Virtual Queue).
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The RAP is a virtual queue though, so it would be a virtual queue for the virtual queue. 🙃

I don't even see a way they can resolve the issues without causing a backlash. They've left it so late they're stuck between a rock and a hard place now. People have been allowed to misuse it for so long they've got used to doing so, and will kick off if they're finally stopped.

Going digital (like Chessy and LL) is the only option I can think of.
 
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Skyscraper said:
The RAP is a virtual queue though, so it would be a virtual queue for the virtual queue. 🙃
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Not really. The theory is you manage it such that there are never more than a dozen or so waiting by the ride; like all virtual queues there is normally still a small wait.

No need for blockout after either as the wait would all be upfront.
 
WillPS said:
Not really. The theory is you manage it such that there are never more than a dozen or so waiting by the ride; like all virtual queues there is normally still a small wait.

No need for blockout after either as the wait would all be upfront.
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LEGOLAND originally had that, but parents of disabled guests (notably not disabled guests themselfs) kicked off about it
 
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