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Russia vs NATO

rob666 said:
We don't know what the actual people of Ukraine want, from the early big paper reports in the first year, many people living in Ukraine, not just Russian speakers, saw themselves as ethnic geographic Russians, victims in a corrupt war between east and west, following the collapse and break up of the soviet empire.
They want the war to stop, many unconcerned about eventual government, they just want to stop being the battleground.

Remember, Ukraine is run by a literal comic with zero political experience before the war, because the population had lost confidence in all politicians from the previous governments. Not an ideal leader in world conflict...like Putin.

Having a war between two nations wrapped in corruption, in all areas of government, isn't easy to watch from the sidelines.
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I think something to note about Ukraine is that Donetsk and Luhansk both have puppet Russian governments in them. Now you could see that this is a totally legitimate and credible example of anti-government and pro russian sentiment in Ukraine, but then you see Moldova and Georgia and you start to see a pattern..

A lot of east Ukraine has seen Russian 'influence' for sure, just like South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, and the forgotten about Tranistria in Moldova. It is hard for all these countries to have a functioning state when you have a big global power funding breakaway states in your country. I feel all the turmoil and corruption in these three countries are direct results of Russian meddling. Georgia is also in chaos right now as the pro-EU/Pro Russian sides struggle for power, and the west aren't even getting involved all that much. I feel for the Ukranian people to be heard Russia needs to stop giving guns to every potential breakaway state in Ukraine, the country has been in complete chaos since 2014 due to this. If anything like Georgia, there is also been various cases of spies and espionage from Russia inside Georgia.

I would say the west plays a part but Georgia and Moldova we have kind of kept our heads out of, and both are doing pretty badly (Georgia especially).
 
GooseOnTheLoose said:
ICBM stands for Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile, one which you can fire from one continent and lands in another. They're essentially rockets.

As @jon81uk explained, Little Boy and Fat Man, the Atomic Bombs, were dropped conventionally from B-52 Bomber planes over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Edit: Hadn't seen @Poisson's further clarification, apologies. Always read the thread to the bottom.
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Bit late, just to be picky, they were modified B29s. Bit early for the BUFFs to be involved. ;)


Somewhere at home, one of my many cold war books lists every known Russian target in the UK, including what megatonnage was aimed at it. I'll try and find it tonight.
But essentially, we can expect 3 waves of nukes. The first wave of SLBMs from subs parked in the North Sea to take out our defences and EMP us in to the stone age. Then the ICBMs rain down on our cities and wipe out all remaining life. Finally, a wave of bombers to pick off anything not yet burning.
 
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Dave said:
Clown, comedian same principle 🤷‍♂️
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Not really.

Allow me to explain the difference -

Peter Kay for example is a comedian but not a clown. He wears normal clothes, has a normal nose and makes people laugh.

Whereas Coco the clown wears a silly suit, paints his face and has a big red nose which honks when he squeezes it and scares the crap out of young children. When not working at the circus he hides in scare mazes at Alton towers.

Hopefully that clears it up for you. Not that this has anything remotely to do with Russia vs NATO.
 
Well, I'm home from work, and I've dug through my library. Wasn't easy as I couldn't remember which book it was in, only that it about >this< size and paperback. Turned out to be the first book fitting that description I picked up.

From Cold War Secret Nuclear Bunkers, by Nick McCamley, ISBN 978 1 78303 010 1, pages 175-178.
(A very good book I highly recommend, filled with interesting plans, diagrams, tables, and pictures).

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Now I'll grant you that this was a long time ago and a fair few of those bases have probably been turned in to housing estates by now.
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Presumably because they use ceramics in some bomb making.
Blows up causing fragmentation damage using less explosive.
It is also a heavily populated area...simply kill off future soldiers.
 
DiogoJ42 said:
The list is from 1967....
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They had future insight! 🤣

Also perhaps they wanted to stop the Great Pottery Throwdown ever appearing on our tv screens in the future.


That’s a lot of targets on that list though. So would be the safest place in the UK to be if all that kicked off? Can’t see Blackpool on there - maybe they already thought someone had beaten them to it 🤣
 
It was well known that Hitler wanted the Tower as a victory souvenir.
Allegedly.
Read it more than once in my sad local history books, must be true.
 
GaryH said:
They had future insight!

Also perhaps they wanted to stop the Great Pottery Throwdown ever appearing on our tv screens in the future.


That’s a lot of targets on that list though. So would be the safest place in the UK to be if all that kicked off? Can’t see Blackpool on there - maybe they already thought someone had beaten them to it
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Mid Wales
 
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