Russia vs NATO

[JoshuaWAH]

We don't know what the actual people of Ukraine want, from the early big paper reports in the first year, many people living in Ukraine, not just Russian speakers, saw themselves as ethnic geographic Russians, victims in a corrupt war between east and west, following the collapse and break up of the soviet empire.
They want the war to stop, many unconcerned about eventual government, they just want to stop being the battleground.

Remember, Ukraine is run by a literal comic with zero political experience before the war, because the population had lost confidence in all politicians from the previous governments. Not an ideal leader in world conflict...like Putin.

Having a war between two nations wrapped in corruption, in all areas of government, isn't easy to watch from the sidelines.

I think something to note about Ukraine is that Donetsk and Luhansk both have puppet Russian governments in them. Now you could see that this is a totally legitimate and credible example of anti-government and pro russian sentiment in Ukraine, but then you see Moldova and Georgia and you start to see a pattern..

A lot of east Ukraine has seen Russian 'influence' for sure, just like South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, and the forgotten about Tranistria in Moldova. It is hard for all these countries to have a functioning state when you have a big global power funding breakaway states in your country. I feel all the turmoil and corruption in these three countries are direct results of Russian meddling. Georgia is also in chaos right now as the pro-EU/Pro Russian sides struggle for power, and the west aren't even getting involved all that much. I feel for the Ukranian people to be heard Russia needs to stop giving guns to every potential breakaway state in Ukraine, the country has been in complete chaos since 2014 due to this. If anything like Georgia, there is also been various cases of spies and espionage from Russia inside Georgia.

I would say the west plays a part but Georgia and Moldova we have kind of kept our heads out of, and both are doing pretty badly (Georgia especially).

 

[shakey]

I remember the UK used to have a comedian in charge who made racist jokes about Muslim women and letter boxes. It didn't take long for the laughing to stop.

Islam is not a race.