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The London 2012 Olympics - The Politics Discussion

What are your views on the London 2012 Olympics?

  • It's a great honour to have it here, I will follow it with pride.

    Votes: 25 42.4%
  • I don't care.

    Votes: 5 8.5%
  • I don't see why we have it and are considered fit to be hosting it.

    Votes: 4 6.8%
  • It's nice that we have it, but I won't be watching too much.

    Votes: 25 42.4%

  • Total voters
    59
Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Meat Pie said:
And Astrodan, saying that this topic was 'hijacked' suggests that the pro-olympic crowd had ownership over the thread in the first place which is untrue. This is a thread about the Olympics and I'm discussing the Olympics.

I think if you re-read what Dan said, he never actually said the topic was hijacked. What he actually referred to was his enjoyment of the games being hijacked if he remained in this topic any longer. It is after all very difficult to enjoy something when it is interspersed by someone constantly telling you you're wrong for enjoying it.

By the By, the reason I've sudden popped up here is to edit your last post to remove the random and unnecessary insults. I'd like to take this opportunity to point you in the direction of our Member Expectations page and more specifically the following point on that page:

Respect other members

Please treat others how you wish to be treated. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and although things can get heated, avoid getting into direct arguments with others and ensure you contribute in a mature and sensible manner. If your behaviour is brought to the team’s attention, we might need to contact you to discuss further and/or edit or remove the problem posts. Repeat offenders may risk changes being made to their posting rights – and we wouldn’t want to do that!
 
Re: The London 2012 Olympics Discussion

Since this topic was intended to be political from the offset maybe we should have one that isn't? How about a new topic dedicated to the sports/athletes/ceremonies etc?

I see this as being beneficial to both sides - those not interested in the actual event(s) don't have to read about sport and those who are interested don't have to be guilt-tripped for enjoying the event in their own topic.
 
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I know, I was agreeing with you - it just seemed there was some opposition to the idea ;)
 
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I'm more than happy for there to be a seperate topic and for this one to stay as a topic of debate. So Islander (or any other member) feel free to create a new topic. I would create one although I'm away from a computer at the moment.
 
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I think that is the main problem with the Olympic games, there are two clear sides to it, the competition itself and the politics of it all. Whilst I agree that the political side has a lot of issues, I can't see many ways in which people can be negative about the competition. I appreciate that some people probably don't have strong feelings either way, but surely very few people are against the competition itself, ignoring the political factors.

I had the pleasure of working on a show earlier this week where the audience was made up entirely of athletes from the Australian Olympic team and, whilst I couldn't quite put my finger on exactly how and why, the atmosphere really was fantastic. Even though the majority of people from different sports didn't know each other there was a definite team spirit present and my personal feelings about the games have really perked up since that evening.
 
London 2012: how the Olympics suckered the Left
By Andrew Gilligan Sport Last updated: July 29th, 2012

The London Olympics are the most Right-wing major event in Britain’s modern history. Billions of pounds are taken from poor and middle-income taxpayers and service users to build temples to a corporate and sporting elite. Democratic, grassroots sport is stripped of money to fund the most rarefied sport imaginable. The police and the state are turned into the enforcement arm of Coca-Cola. How did this event suddenly become the toast of the Left?

Corporations who make people fat and sick – or, in one case, actually maimed and killed them – are allowed to launder their images; the London Paralympics, in a detail you simply could not make up, are sponsored by Atos, the firm repeatedly accused of bullying disabled people off benefits. Meanwhile, the main sponsors – the people of Britain – are largely excluded from the event they paid for.

Not just the Games itself, but many other parts of their own city, are sealed off from them. Some of them are evicted and their houses destroyed; others find overnight and without warning that their homes are to be converted into military missile sites, so terrorist planes can be made to kill ordinary Londoners instead of Olympic luminaries. Protestors against any of this are arrested and detained on the flimsiest of pretexts. Almost every promise ever made by the organisers – from the budget to the ‘greenest games ever,’ from the number of jobs that will be created to the number of new houses that will be built – turns out to be false.

The Left should be up in arms about the Olympics, as should any democrat. But as it turns out, all it takes is a few nurses dancing round beds, some coloured lights spelling out the words NHS and we all go weak at the knees and collapse into the IOC’s embrace. Worse, actually: any criticism of the opening ceremony was described by one left-wing newspaper today as “extremist!”

My favourite line was from the Guardian columnist Richard Williams who wrote: “Cameron and his gang will surely not dare to continue the dismemberment of the NHS after this.” Hmm. If dismemberment is indeed their intention, are they really going to be stopped by a sound and light show? This isn’t a new dawn for Britain. It’s a night’s entertainment.

I can’t quite decide whether this is a genuine Diana moment – when the public hysteria is real – or whether it is confined largely to the media. I’ve been there myself – I covered the Beijing Olympics and I know how contagious and seductive the cossetted, enclosed media atmosphere can be. That's how you get reality drifts like Williams'. I’ve been out and about today outside the Olympic bubble and most people I’ve been talking to seem to be taking it a lot more calmly than the papers.

I’ve also had disappointingly few hate emails and tweets after my mixed review yesterday of the great event. One person objected to my gentle mockery of Shami Chakrabarti’s participation. I like Shami a lot, but someone who campaigns for human rights should never have allowed herself to be used to polish the image of an event with such a long record of trampling on human rights. The abuses in London, of course, are comparatively small – but only four years ago in Beijing, thousands of people were made homeless and entire areas starved of water for the duration of the Games so that the Olympic areas could look fresh and green.

Whatever the truth about the mood is, it will pass. I attended the Beijing opening ceremony, as it happens. I wrote some of the same sort of faintly overawed copy that we're seeing in this weekend's newspapers. I can’t remember very much about that night now.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andre ... -the-left/

I think this article makes a great point about the hypocrisy in the left-wing media following the Olympic Opening Ceremony.
 
Re: The London 2012 Olympics - Team GB debate.

Blaze said:
No, Great Britain is the way forward, not this stupid marketing exercise that is 'Team GB'.

Isn't Team GB just an abbreviation of Team Great Britain...? All the teams have marketing input to some extent...

I think it should be Team UK instead, as it better reflects the inclusion of Northern Irish athletes in our team. :)
 
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Team GB is a fantastic name which gets people behind the 'team' - people chant 'GB' at the venues, people are proud to carry flags and merchandise emblazoned with 'Team GB' on it. It makes people feel included with the team. Also I'm fairly sure that the full official name of the team is 'Great Britain & NI' - as that is what it is during other athletic meets.

I see no issue with it, though I don't think it should be forced upon sports that already compete as separate nations.
 
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mrbrightside said:
Team GB is a fantastic name which gets people behind the 'team' - people chant 'GB' at the venues, people are proud to carry flags and merchandise emblazoned with 'Team GB' on it. It makes people feel included with the team. Also I'm fairly sure that the full official name of the team is 'Great Britain & NI' - as that is what it is during other athletic meets.

Not to mention that all that merchandise profit (presumably) goes into the kitty for training our athletes!
 
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What's wrong with just being 'Great Britain'? The 'Team' part is just daft. Even America, home of cringey, daft sports nonsense is ok with just using the name of their country. They'd sell just as much branded tat if it used the real name, so why does everything have to be some silly 'team' thing? We're not part of a team, we're talentless people sitting at home watching, and the athletes compete in their own events. A 'team' is a group that plays a sport together as one entity. Team GB is nothing but a cringey and unnecessary marketing gimmick. People would still chant 'GB', wave flags and feel part of it, or are we that dumb we need to be patronisingly told we're somehow part of it?

Anyway. Ennis. Wow. Incredible. Nothing much more to say, really. An amazing athlete.
 
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The whole point of 'team' is that it connects us.

It's only one word, what seems to be a very insignificant word but it plays such an important role in involving the public with supporting our country. While we are not a part of the 'team' directly, we're a part of the supporting team, people across the UK joining as one to celebrate, cheer on and support GB through the Olympics.

It's may be a 'marketing' gimmick, but it works and that's all that matters. They want something attractable with promoting the team and the sales of merchandise.
 
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Given that we only won one gold medal at Atlanta in 1996 (we're already up to 13 so far this time), the managers of 'Team GB' must have been doing something right recently. I'd bet that has a lot to do with increased investment from increasing merchandise sales, so I'd let them get on with it as they seem to know what they're doing. :)
 
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If you went to a football match with a national flag with the words 'Team LFC', you'd get your head kicked in. If Manchester United decided to call themselves 'Team MUFC', there'd be outrage. There probably would be if the England national team did, and that's saying something considering some of the people that following the national side.

What isn't marketable about the name of the country? Do any of the other nations have so much of a problem? And why would 'team' fix it and sell more tat? Please don't try and say that by calling ourselves 'Team GB' instead of 'Great Britain' we've made ourselves good at sport. That's very disrespectful to the athletes to say they're only good because people are buying tat. In the words of David Mitchell, it's "capitalism's final victory" and "pathetic", and anyone who thinks it's helped us win more medals "are either morons or they think our athletes are".

I'm supporting the country. Not 'Team GB'. If we're in an event, I support that/those athlete/s and want us to win more medals than as many other countries as possible. That doesn't mean I can't hate 'Team GB' and find it cheesy, cringey and tasteless.
 
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Just ordered a Team GB football shirt (£34.99 on SportsDirect.com), so hopefully they aren't about to get knocked out!

Team GB is just how we sell the athletes to the public in the UK, as far as the rest of the world and the Olympic officials are concerned, we are just Great Britain.
 
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Referring to it as Team GB is like referring to a football team by the kit makers or sponsors. It's a brand. Team GB is not competing, Great Britain is.

It should be 'Come on Britain', 'Well done Britain'. You wouldn't say "Come on Adidas" "Nice one Carlsberg", would you?
 
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Blaze said:
Referring to it as Team GB is like referring to a football team by the kit makers or sponsors. It's a brand. Team GB is not competing, Great Britain is.

It should be 'Come on Britain', 'Well done Britain'. You wouldn't say "Come on Adidas" "Nice one Carlsberg", would you?
No, but Adidas and Calrsberg aren't sporting teams. Team GB is a sporting team. Just because the country is called 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' doesn't mean it cannot be branded as something different...

I don't see the problem to be honest... Would you be so bothered if the team were simply called 'GB' on their tracksuits?
 
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Team GB is not a sporting team. It's the marketing brand name. It's pathetic. Marketing coming before sport and integrity.

If the tracksuits said GB that would be fine, as that's what the country is actually called. Everyone else manages fine. Just like everyone else managed to walk on properly during the opening ceremony, and then we had to shout brap brap at the cameras as we walked past. Pathetic.
 
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Does it really matter? They are both synonymous, I can't really see the problem with using either. Team GB I presume was invented because it makes it sound more dynamic and tight-knit. The emphasis is on the 'team' which perhaps the marketers thought would enhance the patriotism.
 
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