Theme Park Worldwide

[khalichanan]

Please refer to my previous post.

I generally thought the people on here where more balanced than those on social media channels, but I'm starting to see new faces on this thread and now I'm wondering if I got this place all wrong.

I just want to say I'm not a new face, so if you're referring to me, you've got that wrong. I've been here literally since the moment it was founded.

 

[Panda]

This is my first and last post on here about this subject, so I suggest you read carefully. I haven't read a single post beyond Rowe's or bits and pieces I have been sent, so I don't care about repeating the same thoughts/opinions as dozens of pages in here. There will be some upsetting/triggering/NSFW themes in here, as a warning. My aim is to demonstrate how insanely normalised paedophilic behaviour is, and what can be done.

Spoiler: Long with NSFW themes

This post is going to appear very "me, me, me", but I think as a young female who:

• Joined the "community" aged 13
• Experienced sexual harassment/assault/abuse as a minor (and adult)
• Reported the above to the police
• Had one, albeit shockingly poor, outcome of a police report
• 'Spoke out' about TPWW in the last few years days

I've got quite the experience.

I don't feel the need to beat around the bush anymore. I've had members of the whole community, and indeed this forum, take advantage of my age and mental health for sexual gain. Anyone who's been here for longer than 5 minutes knows what I went through as a child.

Now let's move onto why I'm really here.

My Experiences

I joined the "community" aged 13 (after reading Almanac/TTF for years) because I was groomed by a man involved with TPWW. He added me entirely out of the blue and it didn't take long before the invitations to meet up or creepy behaviour towards me began. Is it acceptable for an adult to behave like this to a child he's never met before? Would you do it? Would you allow your child to be treated like that?

I joined the last forum, also aged 13, as I felt like I could finally have somewhere with like-minded people who also, very unfortunately, shared similar life experiences to mine. And it didn't take long for the abuse to accelerate.
I was part of the Skype group from 14 years old. For the most part, the people were absolutely fantastic and I owe them my life, as they were the only light through my darkest years. But of course, behind the scenes, I had several fully grown adults being highly inappropriate towards me.

Here's a short rundown (that excludes the mountains of sexual harassment/degrading I experienced):

• I've been asked to show my underwear on Skype (aged 14)
• I've been asked private details about my sex life (aged 14+)
• I've been stalked and followed around Alton Towers (aged 14+)
  
• I've been sexually assaulted by someone I considered a friend (aged 15)
• I've been sexually assaulted by someone I was very close to (aged 15)
• I've been heavily coerced into sex by multiple people (aged 15/16)
• I've been coerced to see pictures and videos of self-made pornographic material (aged 15)
• I've been shown self-made pornographic material made by several other people (aged 15+)
• I've been shown revenge porn (aged 15?)
• I've been sexually assaulted, again, by someone I demonstrated immense discomfort towards (age 16)

Now tell me again, is this perfectly acceptable behaviour for any fully grown adult to show towards a kid? Would you do it? Would you allow your child to be treated like that?
For each and every single one of my points above, I've been called a liar. Do you know how insanely fucked up it is to tell a child that the grown adult in those situations are the victim?

And do you know what the worst part is? Not how insanely normalised other people felt this behaviour was, but how much I myself normalised it. I wholly, genuinely believed the people that told me "well, you didn't always say no", or "you shouldn't have allowed it to happen" that I was at fault and deserved it. I made excuses for each and every single time I was abused. and yes, it is abuse.

Please, tell me again, that behaviour like this is acceptable.

Reporting Incidents
I want to make it very clear to the ignorant amongst us at how insanely difficult it is to report an abuser to the police. For me in my case, it wasn't because of what the person might do to me as "revenge", but rather how my friends would react. I was told that all of my friends would hate me, that their belongings would be seized by the police, that I would be seen as the abuser, everything. And I believed it. My biggest fear was that my name would be attached to everything I ever said, which I thought would severely hinder my career ambitions.
I wanted to report the person that I did because I found out he groomed another 15 year old girl and countless other girls, not because I was seeking revenge. The guilt I felt from not reporting him from the get-go ate me up inside and I felt personally responsible for the abuse of others.

What's funny is the message above is that it's from someone that also groomed me. Make of that as you will.

On my first report, I found out that the case number I had been given didn't exist. I sat in a police station for hours, finally talking about the things I'd bottled up for so long, all for nothing. Neither police force had any log of any kind from me.
A year later when I was in a better place, I made a second report. I told them everything and gave every last piece of evidence I had. I was extremely lucky, as they admitted to sexual assault of a minor. The police didn't bring up any other incident I mentioned. It was a joke.

I've since reported other similar incidents to the police/my employer/University, and each time I'm met with "We'll keep this to one side in case someone else reports them". It's utterly fucked that someone with the strength to speak up is shoved aside as a "just in case". Why should that person be allowed to re-offend again and again until someone else builds the courage to speak up? I wasn't the first person my University supervisor harassed and they had almost a year of "investigating" where they decided that he wasn't allowed to talk to me. Where do you go from there?

Even after the police got involved, there are still a scary amount of people that still insist I'm a liar and defend that person behind my back. I've made peace with some people and I hope they read this understanding that I'm still eternally grateful for how well they supported me at the time.

Theme Park Worldwide
I am in no way surprised at some of the allegations that have come out about various TPWW members, given I have experienced it myself with some of these named people.
My piece was defending the girls with these new allegations because they were being attacked with "But xyz didn't know their friends were like that!" with screenshots that showed they knew exactly that their friends were like that. In my screenshot, I told a prominent TPWW member that I was being harassed and they were asking minors to meet up with them. I was met with severe hostility and insults. I wouldn't be surprised if that person was abused themselves (given how I've probably acted similarly to my abusers in the past), but that is not my place to speculate. I sincerely wish the best for them.

Of course, there came the cut/paste "statement" that said the authorities had been contacted.
Having had personal, first hand experience with this, I conclude that either:
A) The police HAVE been contacted, to report these girls as defamation with false statements.
B) The police HAVEN'T been contacted
C) The police HAVE been contacted in support of the victims

If the police had been contacted, then TPWW would be given a case number to directly give to the victims to create one, large file. This hasn't happened, and I know that with certainty. In my personal opinion, given that they've been fully aware of the inappropriate behaviour, I would be inclined to go with point A. The intention to silence these girls to save face, and of course monetisation, is staggeringly obvious.

Do you know what is going to happen next?
The girls won't all go through the grief of a police report and would prefer that people are aware to protect others. The police won't do anything, and this will be seen as innocence. Cue those people being brought back to TPWW, and the victims get shunned further. Sounds a bit familiar, actually!

I'm also absolutely stunned at the sheer amount of people that are genuinely surprised about these allegations. A lot of people I know have been shown evidence before.

How Can We All Change?
It became somewhat trendy to post a statement that these pages/groups "support" those that came forward. Whilst I may be in the minority, I think it's utter, utter fluff. I don't care about some YouTuber showing "support" to people like me when they haven't shown a shred of care towards those that actually came forward. Banging a statement on your Twitter for praise without properly acknowledging anybody or denouncing those responsible, you contribute nothing.

If someone confides in you as a friend, colleague, mentor or ANYTHING, take them damn seriously and help them to understand that no, they're not in the wrong. Stop allowing victims to believe that they're going to ruin their own lives for speaking up.

Even if you don't believe the mass consistencies with how these stories have started (despite evidence being given to you on a plate), why on earth would you want to side with child abusers over an unlikely liar? Reassess your damn priorities.

I think this is the most important that can apply to everybody.

And that, in it's entirety, is the problem.

"Oh, that's just how he is."​

I want everyone to think about a time they have excused someone's shitty behaviour, predatory or not, by the above quote. I've done it, too. But that is what needs to change. This isn't normal.

Call inappropriate behaviour out. Believe and support those affected. Do better.
​

Thank you.

I am open to discuss anything in PM.

 

[Spookle15]

I just want to say I'm not a new face, so if you're referring to me, you've got that wrong. I've been here literally since the moment it was founded.

I was not referring to any one person.

 

[khalichanan]

I was not referring to any one person.

That's a yes then. Anyway - it's not worth it. Panda's post is worth more of your time than patronising long standing members.

 

[Spookle15]

That's a yes then. Anyway - it's not worth it. Panda's post is worth more of your time than patronising long standing members.

Excuse me, why are you calling me a liar? I'm sorry if anything I said upset you, I was merely referring to when I was talking many weeks back about TPWW, there were a core group of people discussing the pro's and cons. Then others (not necessarily to do with sexual assaults etc) posted things about their behaviour in general and I just wondered why they hadn't discussed that before.

I am currently reading the above post.... I would very much like it if you did me the courtesy of not assuming I meant one particular person, (specifically after I told you this was not the case), it has been so many days now I can't even remember the specific people or posts, but there were more than one.

 

[khalichanan]

Excuse me, why are you calling me a liar? I'm sorry if anything I said upset you, I was merely referring to when I was talking many weeks back about TPWW, there were a core group of people discussing the pro's and cons. Then others (not necessarily to do with sexual assaults etc) posted things about their behaviour in general and I just wondered why they hadn't discussed that before.

I am currently reading your above post.... I would very much like it if you did me the courtesy of not assuming I meant one particular person, (specifically after I told you this was not the case), it has been so many days now I can't even remember the specific people or posts, but there were more than one.

I'm not assuming you meant one particular person and I'm not calling you a liar. I think you've misunderstood me. Anyway, as I said, it's not the point, we're getting off topic and I don't want Craig to have a headache.

 

[Craig]

Think we can stop with the bickering between each other and get back on topic? This is clearly a subject that has affected the whole enthusiast community, and many want to and more importantly should give their views.

Whether they are a new member or long standing, everyone is entitled to give their own opinion regardless of tenure on here. Doesn't matter if someone has been here 5 minutes or for many years, their views should be equally respected.

 

[SuperMuscleMan]

Welcome to TS @hannypanda.
If a vlogger is "professional" and monetised they should have to get filming permission in advance, before they even get to the park, just like TV companies. Plus, anyone who was caught on camera would have to be asked permission, just like TV crews have to.

Kind of, you need to inform those on site filming maybe taking place on property (it could be a sign as you cross the bridge at Thorpe for example). You only need a release form (or verbal recording) if your interviewed in such a way as the presenter asks the person on camera a question.

My idea:

Attraction Vloggers Standards Code

I'd love your input and ideas to take to all the major attractions and you tube. In order to protect from predators, racism, discrimination and miss information.

Create a code that vloggers sign upon entering an attraction for a defined period:

• DBS checks on all lead presentation team
• All filming to be legal.
• The video maybe removed at request of the attraction at any point and the attraction holds all the rights to the footage filmed on site.
• Minors are not to be included in filming unless express permission is given.

How would you view this or add or remove points?

 

[hannypanda]

This is my first and last post on here about this subject, so I suggest you read carefully. I haven't read a single post beyond Rowe's or bits and pieces I have been sent, so I don't care about repeating the same thoughts/opinions as dozens of pages in here. There will be some upsetting/triggering/NSFW themes in here, as a warning. My aim is to demonstrate how insanely normalised paedophilic behaviour is, and what can be done.

Spoiler: Long with NSFW themes

This post is going to appear very "me, me, me", but I think as a young female who:

• Joined the "community" aged 13
• Experienced sexual harassment/assault/abuse as a minor (and adult)
• Reported the above to the police
• Had one, albeit shockingly poor, outcome of a police report
• 'Spoke out' about TPWW in the last few years days

I've got quite the experience.

I don't feel the need to beat around the bush anymore. I've had members of the whole community, and indeed this forum, take advantage of my age and mental health for sexual gain. Anyone who's been here for longer than 5 minutes knows what I went through as a child.

Now let's move onto why I'm really here.

My Experiences

I joined the "community" aged 13 (after reading Almanac/TTF for years) because I was groomed by a man involved with TPWW. He added me entirely out of the blue and it didn't take long before the invitations to meet up or creepy behaviour towards me began. Is it acceptable for an adult to behave like this to a child he's never met before? Would you do it? Would you allow your child to be treated like that?

I joined the last forum, also aged 13, as I felt like I could finally have somewhere with like-minded people who also, very unfortunately, shared similar life experiences to mine. And it didn't take long for the abuse to accelerate.
I was part of the Skype group from 14 years old. For the most part, the people were absolutely fantastic and I owe them my life, as they were the only light through my darkest years. But of course, behind the scenes, I had several fully grown adults being highly inappropriate towards me.

Here's a short rundown (that excludes the mountains of sexual harassment/degrading I experienced):

• I've been asked to show my underwear on Skype (aged 14)
• I've been asked private details about my sex life (aged 14+)
• I've been stalked and followed around Alton Towers (aged 14+)
  
• I've been sexually assaulted by someone I considered a friend (aged 15)
• I've been sexually assaulted by someone I was very close to (aged 15)
• I've been heavily coerced into sex by multiple people (aged 15/16)
• I've been coerced to see pictures and videos of self-made pornographic material (aged 15)
• I've been shown self-made pornographic material made by several other people (aged 15+)
• I've been shown revenge porn (aged 15?)
• I've been sexually assaulted, again, by someone I demonstrated immense discomfort towards (age 16)

Now tell me again, is this perfectly acceptable behaviour for any fully grown adult to show towards a kid? Would you do it? Would you allow your child to be treated like that?
For each and every single one of my points above, I've been called a liar. Do you know how insanely ****ed up it is to tell a child that the grown adult in those situations are the victim?

And do you know what the worst part is? Not how insanely normalised other people felt this behaviour was, but how much I myself normalised it. I wholly, genuinely believed the people that told me "well, you didn't always say no", or "you shouldn't have allowed it to happen" that I was at fault and deserved it. I made excuses for each and every single time I was abused. and yes, it is abuse.

Please, tell me again, that behaviour like this is acceptable.

Reporting Incidents
I want to make it very clear to the ignorant amongst us at how insanely difficult it is to report an abuser to the police. For me in my case, it wasn't because of what the person might do to me as "revenge", but rather how my friends would react. I was told that all of my friends would hate me, that their belongings would be seized by the police, that I would be seen as the abuser, everything. And I believed it. My biggest fear was that my name would be attached to everything I ever said, which I thought would severely hinder my career ambitions.
I wanted to report the person that I did because I found out he groomed another 15 year old girl and countless other girls, not because I was seeking revenge. The guilt I felt from not reporting him from the get-go ate me up inside and I felt personally responsible for the abuse of others.

What's funny is the message above is that it's from someone that also groomed me. Make of that as you will.

On my first report, I found out that the case number I had been given didn't exist. I sat in a police station for hours, finally talking about the things I'd bottled up for so long, all for nothing. Neither police force had any log of any kind from me.
A year later when I was in a better place, I made a second report. I told them everything and gave every last piece of evidence I had. I was extremely lucky, as they admitted to sexual assault of a minor. The police didn't bring up any other incident I mentioned. It was a joke.

I've since reported other similar incidents to the police/my employer/University, and each time I'm met with "We'll keep this to one side in case someone else reports them". It's utterly ****ed that someone with the strength to speak up is shoved aside as a "just in case". Why should that person be allowed to re-offend again and again until someone else builds the courage to speak up? I wasn't the first person my University supervisor harassed and they had almost a year of "investigating" where they decided that he wasn't allowed to talk to me. Where do you go from there?

Even after the police got involved, there are still a scary amount of people that still insist I'm a liar and defend that person behind my back. I've made peace with some people and I hope they read this understanding that I'm still eternally grateful for how well they supported me at the time.

Theme Park Worldwide
I am in no way surprised at some of the allegations that have come out about various TPWW members, given I have experienced it myself with some of these named people.
My piece was defending the girls with these new allegations because they were being attacked with "But xyz didn't know their friends were like that!" with screenshots that showed they knew exactly that their friends were like that. In my screenshot, I told a prominent TPWW member that I was being harassed and they were asking minors to meet up with them. I was met with severe hostility and insults. I wouldn't be surprised if that person was abused themselves (given how I've probably acted similarly to my abusers in the past), but that is not my place to speculate. I sincerely wish the best for them.

Of course, there came the cut/paste "statement" that said the authorities had been contacted.
Having had personal, first hand experience with this, I conclude that either:
A) The police HAVE been contacted, to report these girls as defamation with false statements.
B) The police HAVEN'T been contacted
C) The police HAVE been contacted in support of the victims

If the police had been contacted, then TPWW would be given a case number to directly give to the victims to create one, large file. This hasn't happened, and I know that with certainty. In my personal opinion, given that they've been fully aware of the inappropriate behaviour, I would be inclined to go with point A. The intention to silence these girls to save face, and of course monetisation, is staggeringly obvious.

Do you know what is going to happen next?
The girls won't all go through the grief of a police report and would prefer that people are aware to protect others. The police won't do anything, and this will be seen as innocence. Cue those people being brought back to TPWW, and the victims get shunned further. Sounds a bit familiar, actually!

I'm also absolutely stunned at the sheer amount of people that are genuinely surprised about these allegations. A lot of people I know have been shown evidence before.

How Can We All Change?
It became somewhat trendy to post a statement that these pages/groups "support" those that came forward. Whilst I may be in the minority, I think it's utter, utter fluff. I don't care about some YouTuber showing "support" to people like me when they haven't shown a shred of care towards those that actually came forward. Banging a statement on your Twitter for praise without properly acknowledging anybody or denouncing those responsible, you contribute nothing.

If someone confides in you as a friend, colleague, mentor or ANYTHING, take them damn seriously and help them to understand that no, they're not in the wrong. Stop allowing victims to believe that they're going to ruin their own lives for speaking up.

Even if you don't believe the mass consistencies with how these stories have started (despite evidence being given to you on a plate), why on earth would you want to side with child abusers over an unlikely liar? Reassess your damn priorities.

I think this is the most important that can apply to everybody.

And that, in it's entirety, is the problem.

"Oh, that's just how he is."​

I want everyone to think about a time they have excused someone's ****ty behaviour, predatory or not, by the above quote. I've done it, too. But that is what needs to change. This isn't normal.

Call inappropriate behaviour out. Believe and support those affected. Do better.
​

Thank you.

I am open to discuss anything in PM.

Thank you for speaking up, I can't even begin to imagine what you've been through.

 

[MaxPower]

Anyone who's contacting and arranging to meet underage girls is clearly a predator and should be outed as such, regardless of whether he's convicted or not.

I don't follow the whole TPWW thing but it's sad to read that this stuff is going on in the community, the world is full of sick people unfortunately.

 

[ringo]

Kind of, you need to inform those on site filming maybe taking place on property (it could be a sign as you cross the bridge at Thorpe for example). You only need a release form (or verbal recording) if your interviewed in such a way as the presenter asks the person on camera a question.

My idea:

Attraction Vloggers Standards Code

I'd love your input and ideas to take to all the major attractions and you tube. In order to protect from predators, racism, discrimination and miss information.

Create a code that vloggers sign upon entering an attraction for a defined period:

• DBS checks on all lead presentation team
• All filming to be legal.
• The video maybe removed at request of the attraction at any point and the attraction holds all the rights to the footage filmed on site.
• Minors are not to be included in filming unless express permission is given.

How would you view this or add or remove points?

Technically the last 3 points are covered by Merlin’s T&C’s but have they ever enforced them...if there was to be any convictions maybe that’ll cause them to enforce it.

• All filming to be legal >Unless it is expressly prohibited, you are permitted to take photographs and recordings within the Attraction provided that these are solely for private use and are not sold or used for any commercial or public purpose.
  
• The video maybe removed at request of the attraction at any point and the attraction holds all the rights to the footage filmed on site. > By accepting these Entry Conditions, you acknowledge that Merlin may on demand have access to photographs taken and video footage captured by you and request that certain photographs and/or footage are deleted if they are deemed to be offensive to or infringe the privacy of other guests and/or staff.
  
• Minors are not to be included in filming unless express permission is given. > By accepting these Entry Conditions, you agree not to intentionally photograph and/or capture video footage of any individual without that person’s permission and you must adhere to all photography/filming restrictions in place from time to time whilst within the Attraction.

 

[khalichanan]

This is my first and last post on here about this subject, so I suggest you read carefully. I haven't read a single post beyond Rowe's or bits and pieces I have been sent, so I don't care about repeating the same thoughts/opinions as dozens of pages in here. There will be some upsetting/triggering/NSFW themes in here, as a warning. My aim is to demonstrate how insanely normalised paedophilic behaviour is, and what can be done.

Spoiler: Long with NSFW themes

This post is going to appear very "me, me, me", but I think as a young female who:

• Joined the "community" aged 13
• Experienced sexual harassment/assault/abuse as a minor (and adult)
• Reported the above to the police
• Had one, albeit shockingly poor, outcome of a police report
• 'Spoke out' about TPWW in the last few years days

I've got quite the experience.

I don't feel the need to beat around the bush anymore. I've had members of the whole community, and indeed this forum, take advantage of my age and mental health for sexual gain. Anyone who's been here for longer than 5 minutes knows what I went through as a child.

Now let's move onto why I'm really here.

My Experiences

I joined the "community" aged 13 (after reading Almanac/TTF for years) because I was groomed by a man involved with TPWW. He added me entirely out of the blue and it didn't take long before the invitations to meet up or creepy behaviour towards me began. Is it acceptable for an adult to behave like this to a child he's never met before? Would you do it? Would you allow your child to be treated like that?

I joined the last forum, also aged 13, as I felt like I could finally have somewhere with like-minded people who also, very unfortunately, shared similar life experiences to mine. And it didn't take long for the abuse to accelerate.
I was part of the Skype group from 14 years old. For the most part, the people were absolutely fantastic and I owe them my life, as they were the only light through my darkest years. But of course, behind the scenes, I had several fully grown adults being highly inappropriate towards me.

Here's a short rundown (that excludes the mountains of sexual harassment/degrading I experienced):

• I've been asked to show my underwear on Skype (aged 14)
• I've been asked private details about my sex life (aged 14+)
• I've been stalked and followed around Alton Towers (aged 14+)
  
• I've been sexually assaulted by someone I considered a friend (aged 15)
• I've been sexually assaulted by someone I was very close to (aged 15)
• I've been heavily coerced into sex by multiple people (aged 15/16)
• I've been coerced to see pictures and videos of self-made pornographic material (aged 15)
• I've been shown self-made pornographic material made by several other people (aged 15+)
• I've been shown revenge porn (aged 15?)
• I've been sexually assaulted, again, by someone I demonstrated immense discomfort towards (age 16)

Now tell me again, is this perfectly acceptable behaviour for any fully grown adult to show towards a kid? Would you do it? Would you allow your child to be treated like that?
For each and every single one of my points above, I've been called a liar. Do you know how insanely ****ed up it is to tell a child that the grown adult in those situations are the victim?

And do you know what the worst part is? Not how insanely normalised other people felt this behaviour was, but how much I myself normalised it. I wholly, genuinely believed the people that told me "well, you didn't always say no", or "you shouldn't have allowed it to happen" that I was at fault and deserved it. I made excuses for each and every single time I was abused. and yes, it is abuse.

Please, tell me again, that behaviour like this is acceptable.

Reporting Incidents
I want to make it very clear to the ignorant amongst us at how insanely difficult it is to report an abuser to the police. For me in my case, it wasn't because of what the person might do to me as "revenge", but rather how my friends would react. I was told that all of my friends would hate me, that their belongings would be seized by the police, that I would be seen as the abuser, everything. And I believed it. My biggest fear was that my name would be attached to everything I ever said, which I thought would severely hinder my career ambitions.
I wanted to report the person that I did because I found out he groomed another 15 year old girl and countless other girls, not because I was seeking revenge. The guilt I felt from not reporting him from the get-go ate me up inside and I felt personally responsible for the abuse of others.

What's funny is the message above is that it's from someone that also groomed me. Make of that as you will.

On my first report, I found out that the case number I had been given didn't exist. I sat in a police station for hours, finally talking about the things I'd bottled up for so long, all for nothing. Neither police force had any log of any kind from me.
A year later when I was in a better place, I made a second report. I told them everything and gave every last piece of evidence I had. I was extremely lucky, as they admitted to sexual assault of a minor. The police didn't bring up any other incident I mentioned. It was a joke.

I've since reported other similar incidents to the police/my employer/University, and each time I'm met with "We'll keep this to one side in case someone else reports them". It's utterly ****ed that someone with the strength to speak up is shoved aside as a "just in case". Why should that person be allowed to re-offend again and again until someone else builds the courage to speak up? I wasn't the first person my University supervisor harassed and they had almost a year of "investigating" where they decided that he wasn't allowed to talk to me. Where do you go from there?

Even after the police got involved, there are still a scary amount of people that still insist I'm a liar and defend that person behind my back. I've made peace with some people and I hope they read this understanding that I'm still eternally grateful for how well they supported me at the time.

Theme Park Worldwide
I am in no way surprised at some of the allegations that have come out about various TPWW members, given I have experienced it myself with some of these named people.
My piece was defending the girls with these new allegations because they were being attacked with "But xyz didn't know their friends were like that!" with screenshots that showed they knew exactly that their friends were like that. In my screenshot, I told a prominent TPWW member that I was being harassed and they were asking minors to meet up with them. I was met with severe hostility and insults. I wouldn't be surprised if that person was abused themselves (given how I've probably acted similarly to my abusers in the past), but that is not my place to speculate. I sincerely wish the best for them.

Of course, there came the cut/paste "statement" that said the authorities had been contacted.
Having had personal, first hand experience with this, I conclude that either:
A) The police HAVE been contacted, to report these girls as defamation with false statements.
B) The police HAVEN'T been contacted
C) The police HAVE been contacted in support of the victims

If the police had been contacted, then TPWW would be given a case number to directly give to the victims to create one, large file. This hasn't happened, and I know that with certainty. In my personal opinion, given that they've been fully aware of the inappropriate behaviour, I would be inclined to go with point A. The intention to silence these girls to save face, and of course monetisation, is staggeringly obvious.

Do you know what is going to happen next?
The girls won't all go through the grief of a police report and would prefer that people are aware to protect others. The police won't do anything, and this will be seen as innocence. Cue those people being brought back to TPWW, and the victims get shunned further. Sounds a bit familiar, actually!

I'm also absolutely stunned at the sheer amount of people that are genuinely surprised about these allegations. A lot of people I know have been shown evidence before.

How Can We All Change?
It became somewhat trendy to post a statement that these pages/groups "support" those that came forward. Whilst I may be in the minority, I think it's utter, utter fluff. I don't care about some YouTuber showing "support" to people like me when they haven't shown a shred of care towards those that actually came forward. Banging a statement on your Twitter for praise without properly acknowledging anybody or denouncing those responsible, you contribute nothing.

If someone confides in you as a friend, colleague, mentor or ANYTHING, take them damn seriously and help them to understand that no, they're not in the wrong. Stop allowing victims to believe that they're going to ruin their own lives for speaking up.

Even if you don't believe the mass consistencies with how these stories have started (despite evidence being given to you on a plate), why on earth would you want to side with child abusers over an unlikely liar? Reassess your damn priorities.

I think this is the most important that can apply to everybody.

And that, in it's entirety, is the problem.

"Oh, that's just how he is."​

I want everyone to think about a time they have excused someone's ****ty behaviour, predatory or not, by the above quote. I've done it, too. But that is what needs to change. This isn't normal.

Call inappropriate behaviour out. Believe and support those affected. Do better.
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Thank you.

I am open to discuss anything in PM.

Panda, you know how proud I am of you for saying this and speaking up. You're absolutely bang on. Thank you.

 

[Skyscraper]

Kind of, you need to inform those on site filming maybe taking place on property (it could be a sign as you cross the bridge at Thorpe for example). You only need a release form (or verbal recording) if your interviewed in such a way as the presenter asks the person on camera a question.

My idea:

Attraction Vloggers Standards Code

I'd love your input and ideas to take to all the major attractions and you tube. In order to protect from predators, racism, discrimination and miss information.

Create a code that vloggers sign upon entering an attraction for a defined period:

• DBS checks on all lead presentation team
• All filming to be legal.
• The video maybe removed at request of the attraction at any point and the attraction holds all the rights to the footage filmed on site.
• Minors are not to be included in filming unless express permission is given.

How would you view this or add or remove points?

Looks brilliant. I'd add though, "management and/or security reserve the right to observe filming and view the recorded footage".

 

[rob666]

The predators are in every walk of life sadly.
I worked with abusers and the abused for twenty four years.
Teachers, doctors, police officers, social workers, carers, record shop staff, sweet shop owners, corner shop owners a particular speciality...what some kids do to feed a nicotine addiction...there are predators in every area of life sadly, especially where there is access to young people.
My heart goes out to you Panda, the very first part of my training was...
"Believe the victim".
The hardest thing was when it ran through generations of families, there a few things in life more difficult to deal with than a predatory pre teen, who insists their actions are normal.
Trust nobody, especially when they are in a position of power or control.
If you need to, scream long and hard, keep screaming, and go for the eyes.

 

[hannypanda]

Kind of, you need to inform those on site filming maybe taking place on property (it could be a sign as you cross the bridge at Thorpe for example). You only need a release form (or verbal recording) if your interviewed in such a way as the presenter asks the person on camera a question.

My idea:

Attraction Vloggers Standards Code

I'd love your input and ideas to take to all the major attractions and you tube. In order to protect from predators, racism, discrimination and miss information.

Create a code that vloggers sign upon entering an attraction for a defined period:

• DBS checks on all lead presentation team
• All filming to be legal.
• The video maybe removed at request of the attraction at any point and the attraction holds all the rights to the footage filmed on site.
• Minors are not to be included in filming unless express permission is given.

How would you view this or add or remove points?

I would also add something in about the timing of vlog releases in special events. If I remember rightly there was a load of bother last year surrounding the Fireworks Spectacular in November.

Shawn attended the opening day of the Fireworks, filmed it and it was on his YouTube channel within a couple of hours. From what I have heard AT were not happy with him doing this at all, as they believed it could have potentially put people off attending the following days due to his huge audience. A lot of enthusiasts shared their views.



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[SuperMuscleMan]

I would also add something in about the timing of vlog releases in special events. If I remember rightly there was a load of bother last year surrounding the Fireworks Spectacular in November.

Shawn attended the opening day of the Fireworks, filmed it and it was on his YouTube channel within a couple of hours. From what I have heard AT were not happy with him doing this at all, as they believed it could have potentially put people off attending the following days due to his huge audience. A lot of enthusiasts shared their views.



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If Alton had balls they should have stopped him from that point on. At least no invite them to press events!

 

[hannypanda]

If Alton had balls they should have stopped him from that point on. At least no invite them to press events!

I think a lot of the things him and his group have done are excused due to the sheer size of the channel. Don't know how true it is but I've heard that a lot of the smaller seaside parks have banned them attending as a group due to the sheer disruption caused.

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[TheBolt]

The expectations on how Shawn should implicitly know how to handle the situation are strange. TPW is a bloke in his bedroom doing a hobby that went profitable, who brings his mates along for the ride(s).

Having said that, if Shawn is now generating the sort of income that he is completely reliant on, he should start thinking about whether he needs professional help to manage his brand.

I'd be setting a deadline for the main accused parties to either start action wrt to the defamation of their character, or admit general tone of the accusations. If they are not prepared to follow up with action, then you would have to assume there is substance there. In either case, standing down those contributors for a while makes sense.

Overall, it seems unlikely that most viewers will even be aware of the allegations. I doubt the majority of viewers ever engage with any social media around TPWs content.

 

[hannypanda]

The expectations on how Shawn should implicitly know how to handle the situation are strange. TPW is a bloke in his bedroom doing a hobby that went profitable, who brings his mates along for the ride(s).

Having said that, if Shawn is now generating the sort of income that he is completely reliant on, he should start thinking about whether he needs professional help to manage his brand.

I'd be setting a deadline for the main accused parties to either start action wrt to the defamation of their character, or admit general tone of the accusations. If they are not prepared to follow up with action, then you would have to assume there is substance there. In either case, standing down those contributors for a while makes sense.

Overall, it seems unlikely that most viewers will even be aware of the allegations. I doubt the majority of viewers ever engage with any social media around TPWs content.

To be honest, the minute he packed his job in and started doing this full time it became a brand. The channel is his own source of income, and as such people (rightly or wrongly) expected him to handle the whole thing differently.

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[Tom]

To be honest, the minute he packed his job in and started doing this full time it became a brand. The channel is his own source of income, and as such people (rightly or wrongly) expected him to handle the whole thing differently.

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I'd suggest that the reasons you give are precisely the ones that led him to - seemingly mistakenly - handle it the way he has tried to: Protecting his brand by smothering public comment and criticism, and not responding head on or with any real meaning.