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UK Politics General Discussion

What will be the result of the UK’s General Election?

  • Conservative Majority

    Votes: 3 2.5%

  • Conversative Biggest Party in Hung Parliament

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • Labour Majority

    Votes: 87 72.5%

  • Labour Biggest Party in Hung Parliament

    Votes: 28 23.3%

  • Other Result (Please specify in your post)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    120
  • Poll closed .
GaryH said:
we spend £8.2 million A DAY on housing migrants in hotels - there’s a huge chunk of your black hole right
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What would you have them do then? You can't just dump a comment like that on the internet without context, that's how misinformation spreads.

Maybe those far right hooligans, the same ones that you wanted to negotiate with a few pages ago rather than send them off the prison for their crimes, could be granted day release on condition that they follow through their murderous plans?

Maybe we should just release them all onto the streets tomorrow before their claims have been processed, without knowing who they are or where they are?

Perhaps we should just stop paying the hotel bills and see what happens?

Please tell us how the government can fill the this financial year's budget deficit by removing this cost. I'm sure you have an ingenious idea, and we're on the edge of our seats here to hear it. I wait in eager anticipation.
 
If aid is used properly it can take the knees out of the illegal immigrant issue. Setup refugee camp, pre screen abroad, put a cap on applications and bar any we do not want, plus keep a firm lid on what family gets in too. Then you have grounds to start saying something like anybody entering the UK illegally across the channel loses their right to asylum. Stop it at source, but make sure the govt control it, not just give it to corrupt regimes.
 
Nobody seems to care how much is costing or who is coming here, most of the public want sensible controlled migration but it's a free for all with traffickers and private firms creating and entire industry around it
 
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Also if the government "fixed" the issue, they wouldn't be able to make ridiculous claims during election season.
 
Relife said:
Nobody seems to care how much is costing or who is coming here, most of the public want sensible controlled migration but it's a free for all with traffickers and private firms creating and entire industry around it
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What on earth are you talking about? Have you even read the thread?

Nobody has said they don't care about the cost. No one at all.

Nobody has said they aren't concerned about the situation. In fact, many of us, including me, are.

I have to presume that you have an ingenious plan of how the hotel bills in this financial year, incurred as a result of the last governments failures, can be paid for right? Otherwise you wouldn't have made the comment would you?

The second time I've asked someone today, please tell us all what you think the government should be doing right now that is substantial enough to fill the multi-£billion hole in the public finances this fiscal year, that is legal, humane, immediate, safe, and meets our international obligations?

Don't leave us hanging. If it's good, you could be looking at a Nobel prize here.

I wait in excited anticipation.
 
Dave said:
Foreign aid prevents migration so put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Dave, you’re hilarious. Really. You are.

I guess all the boats are coming over for a little day trip to the seaside and then off they pop again back home with a stick of rock and a bag of chips.

Ps if it’s ok with your good self I’ll refrain from smoking. Can’t afford it and it’s bad for you don’t you know.
 
Matt.GC said:
What on earth are you talking about? Have you even read the thread?

Nobody has said they don't care about the cost. No one at all.

Nobody has said they aren't concerned about the situation. In fact, many of us, including me, are.

I have to presume that you have an ingenious plan of how the hotel bills in this financial year, incurred as a result of the last governments failures, can be paid for right? Otherwise you wouldn't have made the comment would you?

The second time I've asked someone today, please tell us all what you think the government should be doing right now that is substantial enough to fill the multi-£billion hole in the public finances this fiscal year, that is legal, humane, immediate, safe, and meets our international obligations?

Don't leave us hanging. If it's good, you could be looking at a Nobel prize here.

I wait in excited anticipation.
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Well I was referring to the government on general not people on this thread, maybe I should have been more specific.

I don't believe of the so called hole in public finances. I work in the public sector, there is always money it's a choice on what you decide to spend it on. Labour have chosen to spend 22 billion on carbon capture and Ed Millibands wind turbine fetish. That would be the first thing that would be scrapped as I'm not convinced it's the right approach anyway.

I'm terms of immigration, if you have entered the country via boat and from a safe country they should be deported. More resources needed for processing genuine applications. I also think we need to make it clear if you come here it's not a one way street, more needs to be done in terms of national identity and integration.

It's a complex issue but the current situation is ridiculous. We also need to disincentivise people from coming here illegally and that also includes reforms on employment laws and the whole immigration process in general.
 
Relife said:
I don't believe of the so called hole in public finances. I work in the public sector, there is always money it's a choice on what you decide to spend it on. Labour have chosen to spend 22 billion on carbon capture and Ed Millibands wind turbine fetish. That would be the first thing that would be scrapped as I'm not convinced it's the right approach anyway.
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The "so called hole in public finances" is a metaphor for the spending promises made by the previous government, which were unfunded. This means that money was being spent without accounting for where it was coming from. The previous government promised to spend an additional £22 billion, without raising taxes, without designating it as investment and without borrowing it. It was literally "we promise to spend an additional £22 billion, but we have no idea where that money's coming from'. It is, or was, very much real. The OBR, which is an independent office, has confirmed the existence and the extent to it. For the first time in its history the OBR has said that the treasury, under the previous government, actively lied and hid information from it.
Relife said:
I also think we need to make it clear if you come here it's not a one way street, more needs to be done in terms of national identity and integration.
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I'm not accusing you of being one, but this sentiment is borderline fascist in its approach. British values, or British identify, as taught in schools and according to the rules set by the coalition government are democracy; rule of law; respect and tolerance; individual liberty. The implication in your statement, that people should probably forget or drop their own culture, flies exactly against what we teach people it is to be British.
www.gov.uk

Guidance on promoting British values in schools published

Strengthened guidance on improving the spiritual, moral, social and cultural development of pupils.
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British Values are defined in the government's PREVENT duty, which are safeguarding policies surrounding the prevention of terrorism, or spreading terrorist sympathies.
www.gov.uk

The Prevent duty: an introduction for those with safeguarding responsibilities

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Relife said:
also includes reforms on employment laws
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You cannot get a job in this country now without passing a very strict, and stringent, right to work check. You have to provide nationality and immigration documents to any employer, who then has to share them with the government.
www.gov.uk

Prove your right to work to an employer

Find out how to prove your right to work in the UK to an employer. Get an online share code to prove your right to work if you’re eligible or check what documents you can use instead.
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The penalty for employing illegal workers is a 5 year prison sentence, or an unlimited fine.
www.gov.uk

Penalties for employing illegal workers

You can receive an unlimited fine for employing an illegal worker - find out what happens and what you can do
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Relife said:
I'm terms of immigration, if you have entered the country via boat and from a safe country they should be deported.
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This already is the case, unless you get a visa.

Relife said:
More resources needed for processing genuine applications.
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This is the problem caused by the previous government, they didn’t want to process any applications quickly, hence everyone being in hotels.
 
In other news, Kemi Badenoch has been elected as Conservative leader, and by extension Leader of the Opposition.

She received 53,806 votes, versus 41,388 votes for her rival Robert Jenrick.
 
Benzin said:
State of the Conservatives that she's the best they currently have to offer.
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See also - the last time the members had a say.

They are utterly gone in the wilderness now. Starmer can do some actual meaningful stuff this term (potentially).
 
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I have a feeling that the Tories may potentially win the next election. Or at very least, I have a feeling that Labour may lose it.

Yes, they received a drubbing in the recent election, but with Starmer and Reeves being horrifically unpopular and boasting plummeting opinion poll ratings, I feel like people might turn back to the Conservative Party. Only 25% of the public approve of the recent Budget, and with the other controversies like the Winter Fuel Payment, the riots and the freebies, I fear that people may gain very negative sentiment towards Starmer’s tenure and vote the party out accordingly. This government is very unpopular with the wider populace right now; the (until today) leaderless, recently annihilated Tories are now beating Labour in opinion polls (albeit narrowly), just 4 months after Labour entered government. It took years before Labour began to match or beat the Tories again; to my memory, it only really happened after Partygate.

People voted Labour because they wanted change, and as much as Labour’s sentiments are pointing towards them implementing change in the long term, the electorate is fickle and change may not come quickly enough for its liking. Labour’s majority is already built on very precarious foundations (despite winning 411 seats, they had the lowest ever vote share for a majority government), so I think they could be in real trouble at the next election if things haven’t changed drastically. And unfortunately, the growth forecasts from the OBR suggest that they probably won’t unless other measures are announced in the interim.

I do think that if things haven’t changed quickly enough, people might go back to the Tories, or possibly even elect Reform. Reform had a huge vote share at this election and do pose a real threat to the Tories and Labour, I feel. If the overwhelming sentiment of the current day continues through Labour’s term, I fear that Labour will be lambasted for being “more of the same” and people will gravitate towards Reform in large numbers to produce the drastic change that they were hoping for from Labour.
 
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They have gotten the difficult stuff out of the way. Maybe a little more next year, but ultimately it will be a programme of populism and giveaways as the next election approaches.
 
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