delta79
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Maybe however you can have a team like that, and ignore them. Then do your own thing.
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Maybe however you can have a team like that, and ignore them. Then do your own thing.
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James
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I agree it's a one off however as current rules in Wales are stay at home unless you need food, medicine or to go to work (if you cannot work from home)... every single person in that picture is not following any of those rules (the only positive thing I can say is at least the majority seem to be attempting social distancing).
Which is where the problem lies with government enforcement of the rules... there isn't any.
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we have been doing well from what I’ve seen here in Wales we haven’t had big scenes like that. Police are always quick to move people on and turn them back. But obviously there’s only so much the welsh assembly and police can do really. They are doing the best in a tough situation and I’ll give them credit. Tho many people have taken the welsh and Scottish approach as them trying to score points against England. Far as I’m concerned as a resident of wales in my personal opinion I think it’s the right approach we haven’t got set deadlines to meet we are just following the scientific evidence.
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I think the confusion here is the word politicians. This isn't all about politicians. It's also got a hell of a lot to with scientists, medical experts etc etc and not just the few we see at the briefings.
Scientists like any group of people, are never going to agree with each other. That's why you have papers in all forms of the sciences flying around the net, disproving this theory, disagreeing with that. I'll bet you could google any county and find at some point that their scientists did not agree on what the next move should be. I am wary of any scientist who goes to the press and says "we should be doing this" (or perhaps "we should be doing what I said") because that person isn't criticising the government, but fellow scientists.
Do I genuinely believe that people who have dedicated their lives, spent thousands on their education, years in training, do I really think those people, the top of their professions are lying to us and are basically useless in their jobs?
No, I really don't. Sometimes I am confused by their decisions, I don't always understand it, but I trust that they know what they are doing in this difficult time. Because it must be changing every day. Every country is different and we can't all follow the same path. I also actually trust them enough that I think if the time came for it, and it became clear to them that their advise was being dangerously ignored, they would publicly resign and we would all know the truth.
So although I sit and grumble and complain "why are they doing this"?, I generally have no reason to doubt that they're doing the thing they think is right at the moment.
By main issue is that the idiots in our country look at our politicians and say "on yer bike pal", whereas someone we should be listening to are playing second fiddle.
Maybe the Queen should start doing the daily briefings instead.
Scientists like any group of people, are never going to agree with each other. That's why you have papers in all forms of the sciences flying around the net, disproving this theory, disagreeing with that. I'll bet you could google any county and find at some point that their scientists did not agree on what the next move should be. I am wary of any scientist who goes to the press and says "we should be doing this" (or perhaps "we should be doing what I said") because that person isn't criticising the government, but fellow scientists.
Do I genuinely believe that people who have dedicated their lives, spent thousands on their education, years in training, do I really think those people, the top of their professions are lying to us and are basically useless in their jobs?
No, I really don't. Sometimes I am confused by their decisions, I don't always understand it, but I trust that they know what they are doing in this difficult time. Because it must be changing every day. Every country is different and we can't all follow the same path. I also actually trust them enough that I think if the time came for it, and it became clear to them that their advise was being dangerously ignored, they would publicly resign and we would all know the truth.
So although I sit and grumble and complain "why are they doing this"?, I generally have no reason to doubt that they're doing the thing they think is right at the moment.
By main issue is that the idiots in our country look at our politicians and say "on yer bike pal", whereas someone we should be listening to are playing second fiddle.
Maybe the Queen should start doing the daily briefings instead.
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An interesting read, gives some insight into how the data is used and government is advised.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rmany-may-have-more-immunological-dark-matter
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rmany-may-have-more-immunological-dark-matter
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@Matt N being optimistic is better than being miserable bastards like us, keep it up I say.
However there are bad/stupid people in all walks of life and unfortunately they sometimes end up in positions of power. It's extremely naive to suggest people in authority should always be trusted.
In the last couple of months...
A Police officer pressed his knee into someone's neck for 8 minutes and killed him as he begged for his life.
Boris nearly died because he shook hands with patients carrying a highly infectious killer virus.
Trump... Well take your pick. If you were an American citizen would you trust him right now and believe every word he says?
However there are bad/stupid people in all walks of life and unfortunately they sometimes end up in positions of power. It's extremely naive to suggest people in authority should always be trusted.
In the last couple of months...
A Police officer pressed his knee into someone's neck for 8 minutes and killed him as he begged for his life.
Boris nearly died because he shook hands with patients carrying a highly infectious killer virus.
Trump... Well take your pick. If you were an American citizen would you trust him right now and believe every word he says?
I was going to mention the incident in america yesterday but I was over my internet beer limit.
Old a level quote.
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
People often get in to powerful positions specifically to abuse people, sexually, socially, even physically, because it is simply their "thing".
Coaster obsessionals are generally nicer, but trust is a tricky thing.
Old a level quote.
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
People often get in to powerful positions specifically to abuse people, sexually, socially, even physically, because it is simply their "thing".
Coaster obsessionals are generally nicer, but trust is a tricky thing.
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In a very positive development, Italian doctors have determined that newer infections are receiving a lower viral load than infections made longer ago: https://apple.news/AHF5AfeXsQseA_vXpDmJKEw
Therefore, it would seem that the disease is becoming less lethal and losing its potency somewhat, in Italy at least.
Combine this with the fact that no surge in cases is occurring in countries that have reopened and have been easing measures for some time, I’d suggest that we may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel!
Therefore, it would seem that the disease is becoming less lethal and losing its potency somewhat, in Italy at least.
Combine this with the fact that no surge in cases is occurring in countries that have reopened and have been easing measures for some time, I’d suggest that we may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel!
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That makes sense on an evolutionary basis, with less infections there's less chance for mutations that help it survive.
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I feel like the lifting of things has made everyone go mad and become pretty irresponsible, Sainsbury's today was horrible, the lady stood behind me in the checkout queue was so close her basket was touching my leg. As I moved forward, she moved too! No effort to reduce footfall either.
Blackpool front yesterday evening was rammed. Groups seemed to be giving each other some distance on the beach (which was packed) but any such approach was largely abandoned on the promenade, huge groups congregating.
Blackpool front yesterday evening was rammed. Groups seemed to be giving each other some distance on the beach (which was packed) but any such approach was largely abandoned on the promenade, huge groups congregating.
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Some positive news on the economic front; America’s economic crash is apparently not turning out to be as bad as expected due to a recent pickup in business and there is now more optimism surrounding a vaccine than there was a few months ago. Here’s a really interesting article I read: https://apple.news/A1EvuIOLhRHCE8k4IriTn1g
I know the USA might be a slightly strange comparison, but if the UK turns out to be similar, then I think there may be more grounds for economic optimism than some currently believe. The part about airlines apparently having positive cash flow for 62 straight days is particularly positive, in my opinion; some hope for an industry that has really suffered!
EDIT: It’s not cash flow that airlines are getting, it’s equity flow from people buying shares. But surely that’s still good for the industry; the amount of people getting screened to go on flights is also steadily increasing!
I know the USA might be a slightly strange comparison, but if the UK turns out to be similar, then I think there may be more grounds for economic optimism than some currently believe. The part about airlines apparently having positive cash flow for 62 straight days is particularly positive, in my opinion; some hope for an industry that has really suffered!
EDIT: It’s not cash flow that airlines are getting, it’s equity flow from people buying shares. But surely that’s still good for the industry; the amount of people getting screened to go on flights is also steadily increasing!
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You need to lose your manners young man.
Turn round, look them in the eye, and tell them to back up.
Had loads of minor banter in the local mini store.
I blame Dom.
And Dick.
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I think a proportion of the population think that the easing of restrictions mean that it is pretty much all over now, or they simply just do not care. I know that the weather has been lovely and people are desperate to get out and about but scenes at beach resorts such as Bournemouth, Brighton and Blackpool over the weekend have just been complete and utter madness. Groups may well be 2m apart but let's be honest, they're pretty much mass gatherings.
I was on my walk earlier today and on one narrow bit of the footpath came across a group of three people and three dogs all having a chat and blocking the path. Instead of all standing on one side to let me past, two stood on one side, one on the other side with the huge German Shepard left in the middle of them. I pretty much had to squeeze through. Clearly no care in the world!
Also, who in their right mind wants to queue for hours and hours to enter Ikea!?!
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Going back to the subject of Skeleton Jobs, I think it's impossible to clearly distinguish if someone's job falls into this category.
I am currently on furlough and will be for the foreseeable future. I work in the new developments division of a company that until recently wasn't making any money.
You could argue that this makes my role a skeleton job as there is no guaranty the company will be pushing forward with new developments if the situation doesn't improve. However as it stands this is not the case. My employer has expressed multiple times that they intend for us to be back once the core business can reopen and I know what I'm expected to be working on when I get back.
Taking this into account I don't think it's possible to say which jobs really are skeleton jobs as none of us know how this will play out over the long term. The government just have to accept that some of the people they are paying for will end up out of work. They don't have the resources to investigate every company and find out which truly intend to bring all their staff back.
I am currently on furlough and will be for the foreseeable future. I work in the new developments division of a company that until recently wasn't making any money.
You could argue that this makes my role a skeleton job as there is no guaranty the company will be pushing forward with new developments if the situation doesn't improve. However as it stands this is not the case. My employer has expressed multiple times that they intend for us to be back once the core business can reopen and I know what I'm expected to be working on when I get back.
Taking this into account I don't think it's possible to say which jobs really are skeleton jobs as none of us know how this will play out over the long term. The government just have to accept that some of the people they are paying for will end up out of work. They don't have the resources to investigate every company and find out which truly intend to bring all their staff back.
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IKEA Warrington is my local store.
Would I queue for hours to enter (apparently the actual time people were waiting was less than an hour, it's not Ikea's fault people queued three hours before it opened), no I would not.
However, if IKEA is doing things correctly, if people are social distancing, then I see it no worse than going to a supermarket.... Or a beach.
I suppose it's a question of what people will queue for safely. I can't condemn people for obeying rules and wanting to buy stuff. I'd probably queue an hour to get into the Disney Store to be honest, I miss going there so much. Online ain't the same.
We can't go on not having shops open.
Would I queue for hours to enter (apparently the actual time people were waiting was less than an hour, it's not Ikea's fault people queued three hours before it opened), no I would not.
However, if IKEA is doing things correctly, if people are social distancing, then I see it no worse than going to a supermarket.... Or a beach.
I suppose it's a question of what people will queue for safely. I can't condemn people for obeying rules and wanting to buy stuff. I'd probably queue an hour to get into the Disney Store to be honest, I miss going there so much. Online ain't the same.
We can't go on not having shops open.