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2019 General Election Poll and Discussion
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Plastic Person
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Obviously this election is seen as concerning Brexit and Brexit alone. With that in mind, I should probably vote Lib Dems. However, I don't like anything else about their policies, which I don't think would do anything to handle the vast inequality in this country even if they were in charge. I still think Labour are the only option for real structural change. However, I still find Corbyn's personal stance on Brexit difficult to swallow, and while I think he has been sometimes unfairly treated in the press, I feel like the party as a whole have repeatedly dropped the ball.
Nonetheless, I will (begrudgingly) vote Labour.
Nonetheless, I will (begrudgingly) vote Labour.
Danny
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I have a very strong Labour seat with a remaining Labour MP. I feel this may be somewhat at risk now given the backlash from the majority leave voters in the borough who are now refusing to vote for him and divert to the Tories. As much as I wish to back Lib Dems stance on remain, this election is of course much larger than Brexit and Jo Swinson's goals seem very shortsighted. Labour it is again therefore.
None of the options are particularly attractive to me. I don't like the current leadership of the two main parties and I don't like the way both of them have abandoned the centre ground. Therefore I can not vote for either of them, even tactically.
However, I do believe that everyone should cast their vote, so I guess that means I will be voting Lib Dem this time.
However, I do believe that everyone should cast their vote, so I guess that means I will be voting Lib Dem this time.
alee298
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I'm in a similar boat to above, no options are any good to me, and my first time voting it's has to be well thought out. As a student I'm in an odd position as I could vote at my home address which is a strong labour seat or my uni address which is usually a Conservative seat but is currently a Lib dem labour split.
Many of my friends suggest labour, I disagree especially with Corbyn and his top MP's involved. I don't trust them and their policies seem a bit dodgy.
Conservatives have lost the plot and are in a mess, plus more cuts will not do anything good for anyone, even if they are pushing through some infrastructure improvements like HS2 ect, the cuts to emergency services, NHS ect are having a negative impact on the wellbeing of the country with increased violent crime and the NHS is struggling hard.
I'm leaning towards the Lib dems but their tuition policy change has really shafted me for uni debt. Still unforgivable!
Other smaller parties don't attract me either. Seeing as the main 2 parties have gone to the more extreme sides of their political spectrum recently its a tough decision for someone who prefers a balanced/ centre-right political viewing party.
One important thing for this election is everyone should do their research before voting, it's not just an election about Brexit, it will affect domestic policy too, many seem to forget that due to the big Brexit highlights in the news.
Use the research to make an informed decision instead of following their voting tradition or what their parents voted for ect. Use your own brain and thorough research, not just tat from papers like the Daily Mail, The Guardian, any red top or any biased source. As biased/uninformed votes could lead to disaster, although we are already halfway to one...
Many of my friends suggest labour, I disagree especially with Corbyn and his top MP's involved. I don't trust them and their policies seem a bit dodgy.
Conservatives have lost the plot and are in a mess, plus more cuts will not do anything good for anyone, even if they are pushing through some infrastructure improvements like HS2 ect, the cuts to emergency services, NHS ect are having a negative impact on the wellbeing of the country with increased violent crime and the NHS is struggling hard.
I'm leaning towards the Lib dems but their tuition policy change has really shafted me for uni debt. Still unforgivable!
Other smaller parties don't attract me either. Seeing as the main 2 parties have gone to the more extreme sides of their political spectrum recently its a tough decision for someone who prefers a balanced/ centre-right political viewing party.
One important thing for this election is everyone should do their research before voting, it's not just an election about Brexit, it will affect domestic policy too, many seem to forget that due to the big Brexit highlights in the news.
Use the research to make an informed decision instead of following their voting tradition or what their parents voted for ect. Use your own brain and thorough research, not just tat from papers like the Daily Mail, The Guardian, any red top or any biased source. As biased/uninformed votes could lead to disaster, although we are already halfway to one...
bluesonichd
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constituency where i live was a Labour seat from 1885 till 2017 when the Conservatives won ... Vote blue ! you know it makes sense !
for them to loose a seat after 132 years shows how bad labour was and still is.
for them to loose a seat after 132 years shows how bad labour was and still is.
Rick
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You are almost certainly the most Trumpian fact avoider on this forum. I'm no fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but in the election in question he gained 30 seats whilst the Tories lost 13 along with their majority and their route to deliver your precious Brexit.
speedy
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Why should I, as a remainer, vote Tory? It doesn't make sense.
Why should I, as someone who has seen the devastation which austerity has caused to communities across the country, with the poorest taking the hardest hit, with food bank use sky rocketing, with the countries debt ever raising and spiraling out of control vote Tory?
It just doesn't make sense.
Why should I, someone who has seen the benefit of the Erasmus program and the opportunity it gives to students to learn so much, vote Tory?
It doesn't make any sense.
Why should I, who have seen the EU pump upwards of 7 million pounds into my local area to support green businesses, and environmental research to help the fishing community, vote Tory?
It doesn't make sense!
Why should I, someone in tens of thoundsnod pounds of debt, with no possible escape, all down to their policy decisions, vote Tory?
It does not make sense.
Why should I, someone who has seen their inability to find cross party support for the most important legislation they have tried to pass in decades, their total failure to admit this would obviously become a problem, their complete lack of clarity, honesty, moral worth, to admit what they are doing, and try and avoid scrutiny as much as possible, so far as to not publish their legal texts without being forced, so far as to try and illegally porogue parliment, so far as to claim they'd rather be dead in a ditch, vote Tory?
It makes no sense.
Why should I vote for the party responsible for the 'hostile environment' policies, the windfall scandal, the downright mean deportation of parents leaving their British children behind. People who have built lives, contributed enormously to society and our communities be treated as criminals, as less than human under the conservatives policies. Why should I vote for that party?
It makes no sense
Why should I vote for a party who lay lounging in commons, eyes closed, not paying attention while disaster after disaster befall me, my friends and my family.
It doesn't make sense.
You only need open your eyes and you'll see the damage the conservatives have done. And they have the gall to remove those most affected by their policies, those who have fallen homeless at their cruel policies. They banish them away from the steps of Westminster and Whitehall so they don't have to look at what they've done.
The conservatives have set a rot on this country, and it's plain for all to see. If you care about humanity, you'd sooner be dead in a ditch than vote conservatives. And you can hold me to that. I assure you my words mean more than our current PMs.
It just doesn't make sense.
Why should I, someone who has seen the benefit of the Erasmus program and the opportunity it gives to students to learn so much, vote Tory?
It doesn't make any sense.
Why should I, who have seen the EU pump upwards of 7 million pounds into my local area to support green businesses, and environmental research to help the fishing community, vote Tory?
It doesn't make sense!
Why should I, someone in tens of thoundsnod pounds of debt, with no possible escape, all down to their policy decisions, vote Tory?
It does not make sense.
Why should I, someone who has seen their inability to find cross party support for the most important legislation they have tried to pass in decades, their total failure to admit this would obviously become a problem, their complete lack of clarity, honesty, moral worth, to admit what they are doing, and try and avoid scrutiny as much as possible, so far as to not publish their legal texts without being forced, so far as to try and illegally porogue parliment, so far as to claim they'd rather be dead in a ditch, vote Tory?
It makes no sense.
Why should I vote for the party responsible for the 'hostile environment' policies, the windfall scandal, the downright mean deportation of parents leaving their British children behind. People who have built lives, contributed enormously to society and our communities be treated as criminals, as less than human under the conservatives policies. Why should I vote for that party?
It makes no sense
Why should I vote for a party who lay lounging in commons, eyes closed, not paying attention while disaster after disaster befall me, my friends and my family.
It doesn't make sense.
You only need open your eyes and you'll see the damage the conservatives have done. And they have the gall to remove those most affected by their policies, those who have fallen homeless at their cruel policies. They banish them away from the steps of Westminster and Whitehall so they don't have to look at what they've done.
The conservatives have set a rot on this country, and it's plain for all to see. If you care about humanity, you'd sooner be dead in a ditch than vote conservatives. And you can hold me to that. I assure you my words mean more than our current PMs.
bluesonichd
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"Tony Blair has admitted he will struggle to vote Labour at the forthcoming general
The former Prime Minister said the party he led was infected with "extremely distressing" anti-Semitism and "sectarianism" and he was extremely concerned about its political direction."
Even a former Labour PM may not vote labour
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-would-struggle-vote-labour-general-election/
The former Prime Minister said the party he led was infected with "extremely distressing" anti-Semitism and "sectarianism" and he was extremely concerned about its political direction."
Even a former Labour PM may not vote labour
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-would-struggle-vote-labour-general-election/
"Tony Blair has admitted he will struggle to vote Labour at the forthcoming general
The former Prime Minister said the party he led was infected with "extremely distressing" anti-Semitism and "sectarianism" and he was extremely concerned about its political direction."
Even a former Labour PM may not vote labour
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-would-struggle-vote-labour-general-election/
Given Tony Blair was 'new labour' and very centrist, it's hardly surprising he isn't as supportive of the much more leftist Corbyn. Blair was a fairly awful prime minister, I should imagine his refusal to endorse Corbyn is a bonus.
As for anti-Semitism, it's obviously never to be accepted.
The conservatives also have many questions to answer regarding their racism. "Go home" posters, islamaphobia, hostile environment, windrush.
Unfortunately it's a case of the lesser evil.
Answering back "But what about labour, they're worse" is something the conservatives are extremely good at. It's the answer to just about any question you throw at them. But I let the policy do the talking, and it's absolutely evident the Tory's are worse on every front.
They call themselves unionists but they'll put a border in the Irish sea, they're liars.
They voted against gay rights time and again.
They are not progressive, they aren't even conservative, they are regressive.
Their selfish and push policies to save money for the richest few, which has been shown time and again to have no trickle down effect.
They'd rather their constituents die in a hospital corridor without a bed available than risk upsetting their wealthy donors.
They say Corbyn can't afford his policies, but they've taken £75,000,000,000 and "spaffed it up the wall" on a Brexit which will harm the union, stop investment and hinder trade deals with the States and other countries. Why is one affordable and the other not?
Nationalising utilities and public transport takes the profit out of private companies and allows it to be reinvested in the country.
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Plastic Person
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Not sure it's wise to decide which racism is the lesser of two evils. I still don't know what to make or who to believe about anti-semitism in the Labour Party. My personal conclusion and feeling is that it exists, but it's undoubtedly been overblown by influential media outlets and figures who are unhappy with Corbyn and wish for the party to remain more to the (right of) centre.
It's easy and tempting to mythologise Blair's first few years as prime minister as a different, sunnier and more optimistic time. But the world, our standing and our economy were in a very different place. To a lot of young people, who perhaps recall the opportunity of that era but had a lot sold out from under them when the 2008 crash happened, Blair struggling to vote for Jeremy Corbyn represents an absolute endorsement!
bluesonichd
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Im not sure if you can recall how bad , very bad the utility and transport was while government run. completely underfunded, a complete shambles
at least in private hands they have an invested interest to keep a higher standard.. Profit
and then the cost to buy out all these private companies.. no explanation where that money is coming from..
£80-90 billion for the water companies alone
As I just said, it's easy enough to shake the magic money tree for brexit, and for short term economic damage widely accepted in project yellowhammer.
Yet use it to invest in something and it's wrong?
Just because people did things shit in the past, doesn't mean it will be shit in the future. Also it's pretty shit right now, so I'm happy to try it.
The NHS is a good health care system, yet government run. Why can't other services be the same?
Why should an electricity company, that is private, focus on reducing fossil fuels? Yet the government could make this happen very fast.
Alsty
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You don't use public transport, do you?
Tom
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Individual seat-specific dynamics aside, voting Liberal Democrats could easily lead them to once again being the kingmakers of a Conservative government if they split the anti-Brexit vote and allow a Tory majority. It would be ironic if they facilitated Brexit as a result of Swinson's questionable tactics.