Discussion in 'Corner Coffee' started by Rob, 31st Oct 2019.
Corbyn is the biggest problem for the labour party. Him and Dianne should now go.
I think Corbyn will resign after this election and someone more moderate will become the next Labour leader (not sure who).
People want a solution to Brexit. Labour wasn't offering that.
It's a shame that 1 decision will effect the next 5 years of political decisions. But it is an important decision that needs a solution.
I felt Labour's plan was fine. Negotiate a deal and put it to a referendum. It actually feels like the fairest way to do it.
But I also blame Labour for putting their own party interests first and sitting on the fence, instead of being a real, practical opposition to the Tories on how to leave the EU. This was always going to be the Brexit deadlock election after 2017’s result caused so much delay (otherwise 2017 proved that people were willing to give Labour a go). So given Labour's record these last 2 years, unfortunately the only solid solution appears to be a big Tory majority.
Saying you hate people and are ashamed to be British because you politically disagree with them is pretty petulant way of looking at it, things could be a lot worse than living in the UK, but hopefully that was just your gut reaction to the immediate result of the poll
lets hope next GE is the right time for a change!
After nine years of austerity I was hoping for a change, but alas it looks like Brexit has trumped other factors and we'll continue the downward spiral for another five years.
Fair yes but too late.
People are ****ed because the government (for which Labour is a part of if not majority) have had 3 years to negotiate and got nowhere. They want action now.
Edit: the word that's been blanked is far milder than it looks. Personally I'm not sure why it counts as a swear word.
Of course you think it was fine as you favour remain. You still don't get it do you? That referendum would have been a Remain Brexit vs Remain. Obviously the people who didn't want to remain saw right through it (if the poll is correct). His sitting on the fence stance has had holes poked through it since he decided it was his position, but he foolishly stuck to it. I'm honestly not trying to be horrible but I think some people have just still not accepted that sometimes the majority doesn't agree with your views but you just have to live with it and move on for the greater good.
What's a "remain" Brexit? The (slim) majority of people voted for Brexit with no idea of what form it would take. Labour isn't entirely remain (Jeremy Corbyn certainly isn't). The plan to find a good deal and put that on the table feels fair - at least the entire population know what they're voting for.
Now Johnson will be able to do what he wants. Crash out Brexit soft Brexit we'll have no choice and whatever he chooses it's not going to please every Brexiteer.
I’m moving to Rust.
Wow. Quite an astonishing predicted result if it pans out and nothing thus far to suggest that it won't.
Brexit played incredibly hard into the campaign - shouldn't be a surprise, but perhaps is to Labour. Got to say Brexit is still lost on me - but obviously others see something special and exciting that may, or may not become clearer with time - let's see.
If you look at Blyth Valley voting for the Tories, a constituency with a proud mining and trade union tradition - that's pretty seismic really.
I feel more sad about Scotland's potential exit from the UK, than I do the UK's exit from the EU.
I think a large number of people from this forum would very gladly join you.
Make sure you can get enough points for when you want to come back in
Can we buy out a large apartment and split the cost?
(That said last time I was in Rust I saw a fair amount of AfD support... so maybe not)
Reckon we should call it TowersStraße Haus, or is that a bit too clichéd?
TowersStraße Gaste Haus and rent out the spare room for a bit of extra cash
Not to nitpick, but Labour aren't part of the government.
I think that’s a wrap.
Interesting to see opinions on this forum after the exit poll. I said before that I wouldn't vote living in a strong tory seat and supporting brexit, but I ended up 'voting' and spoiled my ballot paper 20 minutes before 10pm by drawing a giant p*nis on it.
It all depends how Brexit is handled, whether the WA is amended or not (which is going to determine how far we follow the Political Declaration). A '1997' reset is an extremely vague way of describing an extremely complicated set of events.
'Populism' hasn't got a cure, unless the symptoms are fundamentally addressed. And right now, distrust with politicians, particularly from the main parties, is at an all time low (given what surveys suggest, and I think it's pretty obvious in day to day conversation anyway). Boris' support , in my opinion, is incredibly weak because he's relying on his ability to deliver brexit, which is why he's getting in to the labour heartlands; they are basing their support on his ability to deliver what they voted for. What happens if we end up extending the WA to 2022, as the EU officials suggest will happen, or makes a big negotiation screw up? His entire basis of election breaks down.
Beppe Grillo from Italy (5 star movement leader) has this whole thing nailed down perfectly. It's not about left and right anymore. That thing is so 20th century. I think pro vs anti globalisation is perhaps more accurate of how it is now, but it goes further. It's about the new digital age, where people are incredibly aware of everything that happens in politics, and feel like they need a stronger voice, and they feel that representative/parliamentary democracy has failed them.
Having said that, replacing Corbyn is the big question right now. How do you do it with momentum pulling all the strings? Could a centrist really get back in and how much would that help them?
By a 1997 reset, I meant nothing more than a switch from Party A to Party B, underlined and enabled by a realignment of the winning party. Wasn't seeking to be precise, prior to the result, based on a prediction.
Agree with much of your analysis.
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