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2019 General Election Poll and Discussion

Which party will you vote for at the 2019 General Election?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 4 4.4%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 15 16.7%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 3 3.3%

  • Labour

    Votes: 42 46.7%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 14 15.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Not Voting/Can't Vote

    Votes: 6 6.7%

  • Not Yet Decided

    Votes: 6 6.7%
  • Total voters
    90
Lurker said:
In other news, Hospital A&E wait times have exceeded all records and are higher than ever before. One in six patients now wait more than four hours, a travesty caused by year upon year of conservative cuts.

Where did the money they cut go?
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Into HS2.
 
The NHS is in constant crisis not because of underfunding, but because the ageing population puts a greater demand on services by the year.
Every year there are more patients admitted through a&e, this year the increase is around 5%.
New methods of treatment are ever more expensive, and expectations of patients grow because of the development of science.
What is required here is a new prime minister, with a policy of involuntary euthenasia for the slightly sick and unwell, as well as the elderly.
 
I have often thought that they should not have had these big national campaigns to convince people that drinking and smoking is bad and that they shouldn't do it as it is bad for their health. The government should have just continued to let people have a bit of fun and drink and smoke themselves to death by about 60 years of age. That was good enough for the government to get loads of taxes out of people but then having to pay pension for a shorter time relative to today. Now we've got to the point where people just want to live for as long as possible as if it's some kind of competition. Great, hip-replacements all round for everyone about 3 times over as well as all of the other expensive treatments and stuff for about 30 years after they've finished working. Then all of the social care costs and everything else. "But I worked hard for it". Should have let people kill themselves, big mistake.

I'm convinced that the government has started this new 'everyone has to have a workplace pension' thing as in about 30 years time to save money (if we're not all submerged in water or dead because of an anti-biotic resistant killer epidemic disease or nuclear war) they're gonna tell people who saved that their state pension payments will be off-set by their workplace pension that they paid into themselves. Basically if you've saved a good personal pension, the state will not give you state pension payments (or very little). Buy gold.
 
IanSR said:
Into HS2.
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The entire budget for HS2 (which would be spent over 20 years) is less than a single year of running the NHS. So no. Pumping £100bn into the NHS would be a nice boost but won't make it sustainable.
BarryZola said:
I have often thought that they should not have had these big national campaigns to convince people that drinking and smoking is bad and that they shouldn't do it as it is bad for their health. The government should have just continued to let people have a bit of fun and drink and smoke themselves to death by about 60 years of age. That was good enough for the government to get loads of taxes out of people but then having to pay pension for a shorter time relative to today. Now we've got to the point where people just want to live for as long as possible as if it's some kind of competition. Great, hip-replacements all round for everyone about 3 times over as well as all of the other expensive treatments and stuff for about 30 years after they've finished working. Then all of the social care costs and everything else. "But I worked hard for it". Should have let people kill themselves, big mistake.

I'm convinced that the government has started this new 'everyone has to have a workplace pension' thing as in about 30 years time to save money (if we're not all submerged in water or dead because of an anti-biotic resistant killer epidemic disease or nuclear war) they're gonna tell people who saved that their state pension payments will be off-set by their workplace pension that they paid into themselves. Basically if you've saved a good personal pension, the state will not give you state pension payments (or very little). Buy gold.
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I'm not sure what you're on about. I don't see how smoking/drinking and pensions are related sorry
 
To spell it out.
Smokers and drinkers pay a fortune in extra taxes through their lifetimes.
They then do their civic duty by dying of cheap, incurable conditions before drawing their pensions, saving the state many billions of pounds overall.
I am one of the enlightened.
I work with the elderly non drinkers and non smokers.
Your body starts to fade in your forties, particularly joints, you lose five to ten percent of your abilities and faculties each decade.
They have decades of joint pain agony and very poor quality of life due to health and mobility issues.
Only about one in ten of the elderly have a true good end to life.
The odds are stacked against us all.
Smoke, drink and party hard, old age is no fun for the vast majority.
Vote Slaphead.
 
Back to the real election...
I can actually vote green, as I do have a candidate, and that is likely to be my real choice...however...
Why can I not vote Slaphead in this poll?
Would it be possible to add a candidate?
 
This is why you should NOT vote for the Tories. I don’t care who you vote for, as long as it is not the same people who are allowing this shit to happen AGAIN, fully aware of the Grenfell disaster they caused. I plea to everyone; STOP VOTING FOR THIS SELFISH, NARCISSISTIC party who have caused nothing but death and division in the UK.

 
Stuntman707 said:
This is why you should NOT vote for the Tories. I don’t care who you vote for, as long as it is not the same people who are allowing this **** to happen AGAIN, fully aware of the Grenfell disaster they caused. I plea to everyone; STOP VOTING FOR THIS SELFISH, NARCISSISTIC party who have caused nothing but death and division in the UK.

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What's this got to do with the Tories though? Unlike Grenfell these flats were privately owned and we don't know why the fire spread yet, it might have been that the property developers hadn't designed or maintained something correctly. It was confirmed the cladding wasn't the same as Grenfell. You cant really blame the government for every fire that happens although the Grenfell case was indeed very badly handled where sprinkler systems should have been fitted.
 
After all that has happened in the past several years I'm seriously considering not voting at all this time around now. Most of Labour's major policies will just simply not be carried out. Some of it really is laughable. The Tories are hoping to get voted in through being the Brexit supporting party but I have no doubt that it will be a Brexit in name only. Lib Dem's are just pathetic by just being blatantly anti-democratic in order to win a few more seats than last time and maybe be kingmakers (which they will judge as a job very well done). Brexit Party have no hope now that the Tories are basically painting themselves as the major Brexit supporting party. There is no party that I can seriously give my endorsement to. This could be the first time I've ever not voted in a major election whilst I've been able to in my 37 years. I used to think that it was everyone's duty to vote but I've come round to thinking that sometimes it's just really not worth it. I don't believe that either of the 2 major parties are going to carry out anything that will make a major improvement in my life (or those around me).
 
TakeYourMedicine said:
What's this got to do with the Tories though? Unlike Grenfell these flats were privately owned and we don't know why the fire spread yet, it might have been that the property developers hadn't designed or maintained something correctly. It was confirmed the cladding wasn't the same as Grenfell. You cant really blame the government for every fire that happens although the Grenfell case was indeed very badly handled where sprinkler systems should have been fitted.
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They are the policy makers! They set the standards. The fire service said sprinklers save lives and they ignored them rather than making it mandatory to retrofit them in high rise buildings because they believe they know better than the emergancy services. Rees-Mogg demonstrated this very attitude recently with his victim blaming comments on Grenfell. So yes, the building may be private but yes, the Tories have a duty to make sure every building, every home is not a potential death trap. They have a duty to protect British citizens, taxpayers and they have failed us miserably.
 
How is it undemocratic to enact policies they've been democratically elected to enact?

Oh I forgot, the advisory referendum is, was, and always will be, the only democratic vote in this country's history.
 
Stuntman707 said:
the Tories have a duty to make sure every building, every home is not a potential death trap. They have a duty to protect British citizens, taxpayers and they have failed us miserably.
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Grenfell was botched by the Tory council and the local authority there, but the Bolton council in this case is half labour, half tory. Also without knowing why the fire spread, we dont know if the local authority in Bolton is implicated or not (the council doesnt maintain and own the building unlike Grenfell)

Although the inquiry after Grenfell was pretty botched, as far as I understood it there was no problem with the safety standards set at government level, more that the council actually signed off a design that breached those safety standards.

Maybe it will transpire the cladding on the Bolton building was actually banned too, even though it was different material to Grenfell, but we dont know yet. This isn't a local council election anyway.

Im not a fan of the Conservative party but you're over simplifying!
 
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The building wasn't high enough to require the cladding be replaced, it's how they've got away with not having to replace the cladding on schools and hospitals, simply class anything "under six stories" as exempt (think it's six).

@speedy, I was being facetious, not serious.
 
Why aren’t sprinklers in high rises mandatory? Why isn’t removal of all toxic cladding on buildings below six storeys the standard? That is certainly a problem with safety standards set by the government. I don’t believe it’s over simplifying to say that the Tories don’t have any control in preventing these fast spreading, toxic high rise fires.
 
The "free broadband is communism" thing is really tiring. As others have pointed out, by this logic roads, libraries and the NHS are "communism". Yet again Tories commenting on Labour, but they haven't told us how much Brexit is going to cost.
 
Whether you want it or not, it's not really communist.

As far as I'm concerned, there is only one cable to your house. Openreach has essentially a monopoly. Privatised broadband has left us with a network far slower than other countries. It's something everyone (almost) needs, so why not nationalise and pay for it via taxes? It's one less thing for the poorest to worry about, and the richest, who have the most disposable income, contribute the most to our broadband infrastructure.

And if you're worried about privacy, do you really think the government can't snoop on people just because our infrastructure is controlled by private companies?
 
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