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[2025] Project Ocean: New Forbidden Valley Flat Ride

caffeinesplash said:
I did think that at first, but then I thought back to the Reborn VIP event and it really sounded like JB was instrumental in Nemesis being relifed as they had initially decided not to do it and just replace it, but John really made the case for reimagining, retracking etc, along with the rest of Forbidden Valley, so I can't see that he'd not be involved in some way.

Even if they throw up the structure and don't install the ride hardware yet, I'm still happy, personally. Alas, opening it for scarefest would've been amazing.
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I must have missed this - what did he mean by replace? As in replace it with a brand new coaster/coaster model sort of affair?
 
cloudburster said:
I must have missed this - what did he mean by replace? As in replace it with a brand new coaster/coaster model sort of affair?
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Yeah, even John Wardley mentioned in the past they were exploring replacing Nemesis with something else as it was reaching the end of it's life. Mr Wardley however, makes it sound as if it was the overwhelming response from the public that changed their minds. This was in one of the TTF videos on YouTube.
 
DistortAMG said:
Yeah, even John Wardley mentioned in the past they were exploring replacing Nemesis with something else as it was reaching the end of it's life. Mr Wardley however, makes it sound as if it was the overwhelming response from the public that changed their minds. This was in one of the TTF videos on YouTube.
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Appreciate it, thanks! Thank god they didn't get rid!
 
cloudburster said:
I must have missed this - what did he mean by replace? As in replace it with a brand new coaster/coaster model sort of affair?
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At the Nemesis event they discussed different ideas for a replacement, the most developed was a new B&M invert

Martin said:
Well I'm even rustier than I thought on NL so here's two very rough sketches of the layout of the almost Nemesis 2.0 that we were shown.

The station and brakes were in the same place, but I wasn't sure if the lift was in the same place or angled to the left a bit, as after the lift it dropped to the right, in a turnaround similar to Air next door. It looked a bit taller than the original (tree growth?) or it might have just been because the pre-drop was eliminated and/or they would have lowered the plateu so it could have a proper small drop at the top. I couldn't quite tell from the image whether the drop included a roll into it like The Smiler or whether it was a standard drop. It dropped all the way to the bottom of the pit which would have been spectacular. It then swooped to the right, into an immelmann, possibly using the trench that the current helix dives down. A tall zero-g roll took it over to the far side of the pit, followed by a bigger turnaround to the left, skirting the side of the pit, coming back around, down and up into another zero-g roll. Following this it left the pit, sweeps over the midway, and then a helix took it into a trench (The Blade's?). A final corkscrew took it back into the pit and the final corner, climbed back into the brakes in a fairly similar way to current Nemesis although with a bit more of a height difference and closer to 270 degrees.

It was only on screen for a minute or two and I've slept since so it might be off, but it's definitely close enough to get the idea. The use of height was interesting, the first zero-g looked huge and even the final inversion looked quite big, it must have been quite energy efficient. I liked how many elements they reinterpreted and the new opportunities for interacting with guests, and just how they were able to come up with a new layout without any real changes to the landscape, but because it was more spread out and 'bigger' it did make the ending seem more abrupt, even though it must have actually been longer.

If it had been built I'm confident it would have been the best coaster in the country, but it wouldn't have been an improvement. It's a testament to just how good Nemesis and its brand are that even the moneymen realised that rebuilding it made more sense than starting over, establishing a new brand and trying to get even the general public to move on from it.

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Martin said:
At the Nemesis event they discussed different ideas for a replacement, the most developed was a new B&M invert
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I've either missed this or blanked it from my memory somehow, but wow...what could have been. Seeing that with, I think, fresh eyes it would have been really cool but I'm still glad they decided to just give her a new lease of life with the retrack!
 
BSwiss said:
Replacing Nemesis would have been a poisoned chalice on par with David Moyes taking the Man U job.
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Like what the YouTube video says "rides that can't be replaced" (nemesis and oblivion ye those are the main 2 on the planet !!" there's not much if anything that can be put in the pit of either I can't see atop Rider (a coaster that's atop of the rails) fitting in the pit (tho a standup coaster of the same layout would be the most extreme ever!!!
But staying on topic I'm glad there reviving ripsaw it's been missed greatly
 
lee2804 said:
I think this will be 2025. Im thinking they will add 2 more convential flats over winter and have some marketing campaign similar to retro squad announcing 3 new flats at AT for 2025
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I do wonder if part of the reason they’re doing this now, is as part of a larger contract for further flats to happen afterwards.

In other areas they don’t need planning permissions so can do those on the sly in the winter but they’ve had to bite the bullet with this one as it was public knowledge anyway through planning documents etc
 
Mick said:
I do wonder if part of the reason they’re doing this now, is as part of a larger contract for further flats to happen afterwards.

In other areas they don’t need planning permissions so can do those on the sly in the winter but they’ve had to bite the bullet with this one as it was public knowledge anyway through planning documents etc
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I do wonder the reason, as they are essentially leaving a brand new ride for half a year, also construction is thought to end around September not closer to the close season. Although I do recall that someone sudgested that it could be that the crew goes to work on horizon, as that construction time is about a year and a half
 
flyingguitar said:
I do wonder the reason, as they are essentially leaving a brand new ride for half a year, also construction is thought to end around September not closer to the close season. Although I do recall that someone sudgested that it could be that the crew goes to work on horizon, as that construction time is about a year and a half
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The footers are not the brand new ride though. That is all we can see so far, ground works. For all we know the actual ride might not arrive until closed season.

I feel they are potentially doing this early so they are not stretching resources later in the season and over closed season with the sheer amount of projects going on at the park currently.
 
Mick said:
I do wonder if part of the reason they’re doing this now, is as part of a larger contract for further flats to happen afterwards.

In other areas they don’t need planning permissions so can do those on the sly in the winter but they’ve had to bite the bullet with this one as it was public knowledge anyway through planning documents etc
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The company that are doing the work currently - Magna Projects Ltd - do design and build warehouse-style buildings so it could well be that they'll be contracted for Horizon too.

It'll be interesting to see if there are any teasers in this year's fireworks for Project Ocean. In 2023 there was a fantastic section for The Curse, so I'm expecting something big around Nemesis Reborn this year, maybe it will tie in with Project Ocean as well: unveiling the ride [type] along with its name perhaps?
 
[ conspiracy ] they now realise hex isn’t going to open so this got bumped forward to give us something new for scarefest [/conspiracy]
 
Alphe86 said:
[ conspiracy ] they now realise hex isn’t going to open so this got bumped forward to give us something new for scarefest [/conspiracy]
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You cannot usually mobilise and change construction crews and lead times on built to order ride hardware, in the relatively short amount of time it has been. Your conspiracy is borderline impossible for those reasons. I know conspiracy theory's don't usually follow logic and reason. But there we go.

It's not like you can ring up Huss and go, "yo, that TopSpin we ordered, we are going to need it 6 months earlier". It doesn't work like that. Not in the real world anyway.

Looking at the plans. I am more concerned how the sightlines are going to go ahead safely. You have a spinning gondola very close to and above a busy walkway. Ripe for personal belongings to fall on people below. They surely are going to need to place some screening or netting each side to catch something.

Where stuff used to fall regularly on Ripsaw will now be a busy walkway.
 
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DistortAMG said:
You cannot usually mobilise and change construction crews and lead times on built to order ride hardware, in the relatively short amount of time it has been. Your conspiracy is borderline impossible for those reasons. I know conspiracy theory's don't usually follow logic and reason. But there we go.

It's not like you can ring up Huss and go, "yo, that TopSpin we ordered, we are going to need it 6 months earlier". It doesn't work like that. Not in the real world anyway.

Looking at the plans. I am more concerned how the sightlines are going to go ahead safely. You have a spinning gondola very close to and above a busy walkway. Ripe for personal belongings to fall on people below. They surely are going to need to place some screening or netting each side to catch something.

Where stuff used to fall regularly on Ripsaw will now be a busy walkway.
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I did think that myself. Surely it’s going to create bottlenecks as well - people standing and watching.

Time will tell I guess.
 
Jb85 said:
I did think that myself. Surely it’s going to create bottlenecks as well - people standing and watching.

Time will tell I guess.
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Yeah, things might change but from the plans it looks like they may not have accommodated for people standing and watching.

It's a big spectator ride, people used to stand and watch Ripsaw by the hundreds sometimes across two different levels. But the pathways were designed in such a way, they could accommodate this. Time will tell I guess. Very excited non the less!
 
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