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Climate Change

GaryH said:
Oh I know and agree, but I think we could be making a heck of lot closer to home. For example I was looking for a kids paddling pool last summer, everything was made in China. Can we not even make these in the U.K.?!
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We can and do, but they won't be throw away disposable plastic and you probably wouldn't be happy paying what that would cost because we don't treat people like slaves and have a costly regulation system to ensure safety and manage environmental impact, which takes us straight back round to where we started.
 
A 10000% tax to everything imported from China should do the trick.
On a serious note Gary is right at some point China will have to be confronted, they have been systematically raping Africa of its minerals for the last 20 years, look at all of the nice roads built there.
Left unchecked China could become a bigger threat than the nazi’s.

I win Godwin’s award today.:tearsofjoy:
 
pluk said:
We can and do, but they won't be throw away disposable plastic and you probably wouldn't be happy paying what that would cost because we don't treat people like slaves and have a costly regulation system to ensure safety and manage environmental impact, which takes us straight back round to where we started.
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Yes exactly and is this has to change. The reason the environment is in the state it is right now is because of the throw away culture we now live in. We used to make things in this country, most of which lasted a long time and was built to last, then China came along and said “hey we can do that, for half the price ~ but it won’t be as good quality or last as long “

People started buying the imported tat and uk businesses collapsed and went under as a result. Take Welsh coal as an example… very high quality, yet it was cheaper to sail coal from China all the way to the U.K. than it was to buy it from the just down the road! That can’t be right.

Same with clothing and appliances, people don’t fix things anymore, it’s cheaper to throw it away and buy a new one. Just look at the queues at Primark. People don’t care where the product is made, how long it lasts, or the conditions of the people making it, they just want it cheap.

It has to change and people have to realise that paying £80 for a pair of quality leather shoes that will last them 3 years and gives a U.K. worker a job has to be better than spending £15 on pair from China made of plastic that won’t last 6 months and will end up in the bin.

And the funniest thing about all this…. The west gives China billions every year by importing their goods - and China has spent a lot of it on its military, and getting its fingers in to as many countries infrastructure as possible. Power stations, mobile phone networks, you name it.

Yet when China attacks, and it will, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

@BigT - totally agree. Was only the other day a US official was voicing concern about China planning to build naval and military bases in Africa to give it more direct access to the Atlantic Ocean and the West.
 
We was talking about things we got when we young 80's child here and echo a lot of things. I remember getting my brothers clothes and his toys, even our 1 TV was a hand me down. We would get our papas TV when it broke and repair it and repeat every time ours died and couldn't be repaired. My other papas TV was over 25 years old before the parts became obsolete and he couldn't repair it anymore.
My main memory of glass bottles was making money every year on our trip to Drayton Manor. We would go on MCVA camp and it would be out treat, me and my mates would collect the bottles from empty for the 10p deposit. If they had someone new in the cafe and it was busy they would leave them on the counter so we would get them back.
We would usually come back with more money then we went with and get tat we wasn't meant to spend our lunch money on.
Both my parents worked while I was at school and didn't need to drive me like a lot of my friends we would go to another friends house for breakfast then go to school. Which meant every 3 weeks when my dad was on mornings I would walk past my school to my friends house to then walk back at school time.


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Vik said:
Maybe my parents and neighbours were really unlucky, but they went through television sets like nobodies business. Probably every other year you would need a new one, and certainly much less efficient than today’s TVs, of which their last one saw out 15 years.
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Not sure where you were getting your TV's from , but I can only remember our TV breaking down once in the 70's - And the TV Repair man came out and fixed it, because most people rented their TV's back then. They were too expensive to buy.

We consume much more energy per person than we did 20 years ago, and 20 years ago we consumed much more than we did 20 years before that and so on.....

This trend is likely to continue in the world as a whole. Developing nations are playing catch up with technology so I cannot see energy consumption coming down in the next few generations.

Nuclear fusion is the answer. Maybe one day they will crack it.
 
Don't theme parks use up a lot of energy? Plus all the pollution in traveling there. Perhaps we all should stop visiting them and ban them ;)
 
shakey said:
Not sure where you were getting your TV's from , but I can only remember our TV breaking down once in the 70's - And the TV Repair man came out and fixed it, because most people rented their TV's back then. They were too expensive to buy.

We consume much more energy per person than we did 20 years ago, and 20 years ago we consumed much more than we did 20 years before that and so on.....

This trend is likely to continue in the world as a whole. Developing nations are playing catch up with technology so I cannot see energy consumption coming down in the next few generations.

Nuclear fusion is the answer. Maybe one day they will crack it.
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Who knows where they were got from. Radio Rentals, Rumbalows? :p
most were rented as were many white goods but let’s not kid ourselves the build quality then was no better than it is now. The fact there was a big repair industry then for TV and white goods speaks for itself. Even then it was getting to the stage that it was becoming cheaper to replace than keep repairing.

As well as the throw away when broken now, we also have the throw away when something better comes along, and hand-me-downs of an older model of something are treated with contempt because its not the latest in fridge freezers that can connect to the internet. o_O

How much of the increase in energy consumption is down to the consumer and how much industry and big business?

One issue faced at the moment that any punitive measures to tackle climate change tend to or will have a disproportionately negative effect on the average person on the street especially the poorest. Meanwhile industry, big business and the elite carry on as normal, passing on their ‘increased costs’ to the consumer, signalling their virtues of their care for the environment whilst not really doing very much. This needs to change and the burden of the cost spread more equally.
 
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Nope sorry, don't think the example of TV repairs fits the climate change debate so positively.
We owned our TV in the sixties, and were early colour TV buyers, but that meant all the family came round for the cup final!
Most households owned one television.
The build quality was good overall.
It would need repairing (cheap valves usually) every couple of years...but that meant the original product was reused, not replaced, which is far better for the planet...half the total climate cost of consumer goods is in their production.
The only time to give in was when the main tube blew, which happens after 25 to 50 years!
Now the modern tv tends to last fewer years, just googled...average of 15 years for an old crt, 5 for led/lcd...and "lifestyle changers" make the modern owner replace the tv far more frequently, to keep up with new technology or the Jones's.
So now we have an average of three sets per household, all replaced every five years.
Not good comparatively when looking at climate change.
Have you tried to get a modern tv repaired...I have...
Been told three times from three repair shops...cheaper and better to throw it away and get a new one...
Why?
Better profit for the manufacturers and suppliers business, that's why.
Firms should be forced to make electrical goods repairable, especially phones and tv's, inbuilt obsolescence and "unsuitable for economic repair" should be scrapped.
Been in the news quite a lot in the last few weeks.

Our first electric kettle lasted forty years, with two replaced heating elements, which were cheap, universal and easily available.
Now they last about three years, and the whole thing then has to be thrown away.
This is called progress.
 
Boris wants the G7 summit to be used as a major driving force to coordinate planning on climate change.
So of course he would turn up on a private jet, nothing like leading by example.
 
rob666 said:
Boris wants the G7 summit to be used as a major driving force to coordinate planning on climate change.
So of course he would turn up on a private jet, nothing like leading by example.
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Bump.
Used to finish my mowing round around bonfire night.
Over time, that moved on to the start of December.
Still not finished my round yet this year, will be done for the winter solstice hopefully.
Lots of bedding plants that used to be annuals, now live through the milder winters, and become spreading perennials.
All in the space of about fifteen years.
The changes are coming, and quicker.
 
rob666 said:
Anything that makes flying between nations for leisure more difficult sounds good to me.
Fly less, keep the planet.
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Meh I’m so bored of all this eco green nonsense. It was soooooo good to get back in a plane and fly again after 2 years of covid.
 
The green nonsense that may possibly kill off the next generation.
Spain burns in it's earliest ever heatwave.
France has just had it's hottest ever June day.
Fuel at it's highest ever price, be that electric, gas, coal, wood, petrol or diesel.
But flights across a continent, thirty quid.
Because europe didn't want to introduce a realistic levy when butcher Blair suggested it.
Didn't suit the european market you see.
 
Couldn’t there be ways of making flights greener instead of more expensive, though? Surely things like electric planes could be introduced?
 
Yep, I’m not bothered about global warming. It will happen, nothing we can do about it.

There’s too many people on the planet that’s the real cause of climate change, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon so my view on it is just so what you want to do, fly places, drive places, enjoy yourselves.

And hopefully thanks to global warming we will have a warm winter so won’t need to use much gas 😂
 
GaryH said:
There’s too many people on the planet that’s the real cause of climate change, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon so my view on it is just so what you want to do, fly places, drive places, enjoy yourselves.
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Overpopulation is not an issue, it's ineffective use of resources. The world's population has increased by several magnitudes since 1066, we were able to to meet population growth because innovation lead to the increased efficiency of resources and will continue to do so.

The world has fallen into disarray post-COVID as last-minute supply chains fell apart, then the Russian invasion of Ukraine and now China's Zero-Covid strategy is blocking the heart of economic growth worldwide with obsurd amounts of cholesterol. Not to mention Brexit is responsible for 5% inflation domestically...
 
GaryH said:
Yep, I’m not bothered about global warming. It will happen, nothing we can do about it.

There’s too many people on the planet that’s the real cause of climate change, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon so my view on it is just so what you want to do, fly places, drive places, enjoy yourselves.

And hopefully thanks to global warming we will have a warm winter so won’t need to use much gas 😂
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Well there is something we can do about it, quite a lot actually.

If you think overpopulation is the issue I recommend you embrace the next pandemic in full. Sacrifice yourself on the altar of principle 😂

Global warming doesn’t mean we get warmer winters, climate and weather are linked but not the same.
 
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