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After boris banging on about R, it is back at 0.7 to 0.9. The scientist are saying it very tight, and it can grow again.
I do wonder how much of this easing is down to economy more than science.

The reporters asking question aim squarely at the DC incident. Did make me smirk a bit.

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There needs to be a degree of realism that as restrictions ease, the R will go up and cases will likely slowly rise. It's impossible to keep the R going down unless we all stay locked up for an eternity. I've see a lot of hysterical people online and in person saying we should continue in a complete lock down until numbers are next to nothing. Unrealistic and not going to happen. I think all of the current plans the government and devolved administrations have in place are probably the most wise options (they are effectively doing the exact same, with different time frames).

We have to accept that this will continue for a long time, more people will catch the virus and those who have yet been infected could potentially contract the virus at any point.

The bottom line is getting the economy back up and running whilst balancing public health, I don't particularly believe the government have tried to hide that and businesses cannot stay closed forever, otherwise there will be nothing left at the end of this. We need to accept the situation and adapt to fit a new way of living, at least for the next year.
 
Well. People called me out a few weeks ago for stating I was not going to be sending my son to school next week.

Well it looks like I am not the only one. By far. Infact, alot of schools around here are even delaying there opening to mid / late June.
 
delta79 said:
After boris banging on about R, it is back at 0.7 to 0.9. The scientist are saying it very tight, and it can grow again.
I do wonder how much of this easing is down to economy more than science.

The reporters asking question aim squarely at the DC incident. Did make me smirk a bit.
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Despite what they have been saying, they have never been following the science, they have always been following the resources or the lack of them :rolleyes: now it does looks like the easing of the lock down has more to do with the fact that they can't keep funding the furlough, its costing them more than what they envisage.
 
RoyJess said:
Despite what they have been saying, they have never been following the science, they have always been following the resources or the lack of them :rolleyes: now it does looks like the easing of the lock down has more to do with the fact that they can't keep funding the furlough, its costing them more than what they envisage.
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Supposedly Norris said in a meeting with business representatives that furlogh is costing more then the NHS.

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I know yeah, who could have envisaged that given half a chance that the British people would choose to stay at home on 80% pay for 3 months when the weather was just getting nice? Genius.
 
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Had a discussion that a lot of people experienced covid-19 symptoms in Late January - Mid February and thought nothing of it. I wonder if there are a lot of people that have had the virus, would be interesting if the anti body tests show a much higher percentage of people have had the virus than previously thought.
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It's a real possibility didn't Germany trace their first case back to December? Although I'm sure I read that the UK has suspended home testing over concerns of reliability of the results. So no matter what figures come out, I suspect we'll never know the true figure and it will probably be a drop in the ocean compared to the real figures.

I am still experiencing symptoms 10 weeks and joined a Facebook support group where there are 6K+ members. Most are are reporting long term symptoms 7-20 weeks out from their first symptom. A lot have tested negative many times but have been clinically diagnosed based on symptoms.

I get wiped out if I exercise, eat the wrong thing or just simply try to do too much. I get kidney pains, shortness of breath, palpatations, intense headaches, acid reflux, blood in my sputum, pins and needles in my face, anxiety, insomnia, fever, change in taste and dizziness. The worst part is that for 2 days I'll be fine and then completely relapse with symptoms for 3 days and then fine for 2 days. That has been my life for the past 10 weeks :mad:

I've massively changed my diet this week and started taking electrolyte hydration tablets and I'm seemingly turning a corner. Just need to go 4 days without symptoms and I'll be happy that's the case.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...g-term-severe-effects-covid-19-can-go-months/

Hope you can all avoid it. It's an absolute arse and to think my symptoms are still in the mild category.
 
BarryZola said:
I know yeah, who could have envisaged that given half a chance that the British people would choose to stay at home on 80% pay for 3 months when the weather was just getting nice? Genius.
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As stated many times before, many people on Furlough want nothing more than to be able to return to work.

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Gonna reiterate, some people had NO choice in being furloughed.
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Not some, the majority lol. If your employer offers you Furlough, the only likely alternative is redundancy...
 
It's also a sad reality that many many of these furloughed jobs are not real and those people are already redundant.

We need to get the economy moving, while shielding only our vulnerable. The debt that is being racked up is astronomical, and frankly unacceptable if the government isn't prepared to fully or partially take over these propped up businesses.
 
We'll only start to really feel the full economic impact of this towards the end of this year and into next year IMO.

At the moment, people seem to have this false sense of security due to the furlough scheme when in reality it is just posponing the inevitable.
 
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At the moment, people seem to have this false sense of security due to the furlough scheme when in reality it is just posponing the inevitable.
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I don't think that's entirely true, at least not in full.

Many (definitely not all, but many) jobs have been furloughed because they're simply not needed during lockdown, mostly in the retail and hospitality sector. As lockdown is reduced/removed, these jobs will be needed again, hence those Furloughed can be brought back in.

There're definitely a lot of roles Furloughed that sadly won't likely be reinstated, but to say that the Furlough scheme is delaying the inevitable I think it a bit too broad-sweeping.
 
Tom said:
It's also a sad reality that many many of these furloughed jobs are not real and those people are already redundant.

We need to get the economy moving, while shielding only our vulnerable. The debt that is being racked up is astronomical, and frankly unacceptable if the government isn't prepared to fully or partially take over these propped up businesses.
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There was someone on the radio today suggesting there should be more scrutiny of the furlough scheme, as many people are in "zombie jobs" that won't exist following the pandemic. He said that these people should be identified and the furlough scheme cut so they can get looking for jobs now.

The bit I don't understand is that, if these jobs no longer exist, where will these people work? Chances are they'll then claim benefits, which will lead to more admin costs as these claims are processed.

I don't think it's right to end the furlough scheme until most businesses are up and running again. The government should also be looking to invest in industries that will be useful for the future that could perhaps employ those who don't have a job to return to.
 
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Which sectors are we suggesting aren’t real jobs? I found myself furloughed in April, yet my position generates over £4m for the company I work for each year, yet during a lockdown my role generates zilch. I take great offence at constantly reading across the internet that because people have been furloughed, it must mean their respective jobs aren’t worth doing.
 
I don't think anybody is saying they aren't real jobs. It's more that when we get out the other side of this there's a percentage that won't have a job to go back to. Lots of businesses will struggle and have to cut costs, especially in hard hit sectors such as hospitality.
 
Pretty much what Alsty said - they're no longer real in the sense that sadly that have gone - at least for the time being. People are effectively being paid by the state to do nothing while also not being prepared for the harsh reality of the near-future. All at great cost to taxpayers and the value of the pound.

There has to be an acceptance that we have taken a sledgehammer to our economy, regardless of whether or not one views it as the only thing that the government could have reasonably done.

The price has to be paid and the reality has to be faced - by us all.
 
Logistics and project management are feeling the strain too.
Literally less projects to manage, and many logistic staff laid off due to production bottlenecks.
Yoy cant run manufacturing if your raw materials are dockside on the other side of the world.
All areas of the economy are going to be hammered.
I read that around 50% of high end food service will go to the wall.
Pound stores will be one of the few winners...they will be getting lots of new customers.
 
I know that everyone always references countries like South Korea and Germany as being among the best in terms of their coronavirus responses, but I think another country that deserves serious applause is Vietnam. In a country of 97 million, they have managed to stay at only 328 confirmed coronavirus cases and no deaths whatsoever. Here’s an article I found discussing their response: https://apple.news/AliiufMxrQe-FCq0zJalTTg

In more positive news, it would seem that Germany’s R number keeps falling, with the 7-day average for last week at 0.78, down from the week before: https://www.fxstreet.com/news/coron...-reproduction-rate-keeps-falling-202005290425
 
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While I'd not completely take all virus case figures at face value, it is worth noting that countries like Vietnam (and Cuba) hadn't had to suddenly and massively subsidise workers and businesses - because that was already their model to a large degree.

Systems many economic right-wingers have slagged for years have proven better equipped to respond to such crisis. The arrogance in some quarters that our system is better in every way, and we can learn absolutely nothing from the economic left, has been proven utterly wrong during this pandemic.
 
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