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Coronavirus - The Poll

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As much as it pains me to defend a tory MP... I think if nothing else the above shows just how difficult social distancing really is - humans are sociable, touchy-feely creatures, even the most introverted ones lol. It's not natural to distance ourselves from everyone.
 
I'm enjoying being able to stay away from people and say it's 'because of covid'. :D

I work in a hospital and it's literally impossible to socially distance from anyone. We try our best, however the spaces we use haven't tripled in size to allow of us to keep 2m distances at all times whilst still doing what we need to do.
 
I think eventually, the actual distancing rule may be scrapped, and other procedures like test & trace may be bought in on a grander scale, as well as the self-isolation for 14 days if you have symptoms.

I know it’s probably a logistical nightmare to pull off, but I think it could be a good idea to test everybody coming back into the UK for COVID-19, in order to prevent imported cases from spreading.
 
Matt N said:
I think eventually, the actual distancing rule may be scrapped, and other procedures like test & trace may be bought in on a grander scale, as well as the self-isolation for 14 days if you have symptoms.

I know it’s probably a logistical nightmare to pull off, but I think it could be a good idea to test everybody coming back into the UK for COVID-19, in order to prevent imported cases from spreading.
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That sort of testing is exactly why companies like Bosch are working on rapid testing machines that are meant to not require lots of training, it could be just like the drugs testing machines they use.
I imagine it could work by swabbing on entering the security queue then if it's long enough results back by the time you get to a officer.

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The only problem with that is it's not perfect. You might come through the airport, be tested and be negative but still be in the early stages of Covid19 before you get any symptoms. The test can be negative before the onset of symptoms.

So while it's a good idea and could help to reduce dependency on quarantines, it needs to be used in combination with other measures. Much like everything... social distancing, testing, tracing, isolating, hand washing, disinfecting surfaces and touch points... it all needs to be part of a package to get the best effect.
 
Do love that the government have low-key ditched the contract tracing app. Yeh they say it may be complete by Winter (but only may be, they cannot guarantee), but when coupled with repeated insistence that it's not a priority, you can tell they're trying to kill the project off.

Have got to wonder how much has been spent on that...
 
Alsty said:
The only problem with that is it's not perfect. You might come through the airport, be tested and be negative but still be in the early stages of Covid19 before you get any symptoms. The test can be negative before the onset of symptoms.

So while it's a good idea and could help to reduce dependency on quarantines, it needs to be used in combination with other measures. Much like everything... social distancing, testing, tracing, isolating, hand washing, disinfecting surfaces and touch points... it all needs to be part of a package to get the best effect.
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Completely agree with you there!
Personally I think random sampling of all international inbound traffic (aka X number of people from each flight/train/ferry/coach/whatever else I'm not thinking off right now) is a far more realistic goal.

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Islander said:
Do love that the government have low-key ditched the contract tracing app. Yeh they say it may be complete by Winter (but only may be, they cannot guarantee), but when coupled with repeated insistence that it's not a priority, you can tell they're trying to kill the project off.

Have got to wonder how much has been spent on that...
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It seems odd, they keep making out like it's working well so what reason could there be to not more widely release it.

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imanautie said:
It seems odd, they keep making out like it's working well so what reason could there be to not more widely release it.
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That they're lying, and it's really not working well... :p

I'm not too clued-in on mobile tech (so you'd probably have a far better handle on this than me), but apparently there are fundamental problems with the app's use of bluetooth - something along the lines of iOS (and maybe Android?) actually actively prohibiting constant bluetooth pinging whilst an app is in the background... which obviously renders the app useless.

It's linked to both Apple and Google having their own solution within their operating systems, which of course NHSX are ignoring, as they wanted to go down this centralised system route. There's talk, though, that they may have no option but to revisit that entirely and go to a localised system. Purely because of public opinion, and not technical limitations, of course...
 
Islander said:
That they're lying, and it's really not working well...

I'm not too clued-in on mobile tech (so you'd probably have a far better handle on this than me), but apparently there are fundamental problems with the app's use of bluetooth - something along the lines of iOS (and maybe Android?) actually actively prohibiting constant bluetooth pinging whilst an app is in the background... which obviously renders the app useless.

It's linked to both Apple and Google having their own solution within their operating systems, which of course NHSX are ignoring, as they wanted to go down this centralised system route. There's talk, though, that they may have no option but to revisit that entirely and go to a localised system. Purely because of public opinion, and not technical limitations, of course...
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There are of course ways around technical limitations, even attractions.io have figured it out!
I get the feeling the issue lies with the central server which as far as I'm aware is fully closed source.

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Thinking long term now would be the perfect time to develop an app for a potential future pandemic. Even if the next one isn't for many decades and the technology's completely different it would be beneficial to work out the legislation on privacy now so we can develop something quickly. Imagine if we'd had such an app back in December when reports started coming in from China. We could have in theory stopped it ever getting a foothold in the UK.

Also if there is a second wave it could be very useful.
 
Tim said:
Thinking long term now would be the perfect time to develop an app for a potential future pandemic. Even if the next one isn't for many decades and the technology's completely different it would be beneficial to work out the legislation on privacy now so we can develop something quickly. Imagine if we'd had such an app back in December when reports started coming in from China. We could have in theory stopped it ever getting into the UK.

Also if there is a second wave it could be very useful.
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We have the legislation required as it is, it's more people don't trust the government (can you blame them).

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imanautie said:
Basically any country would be willing to sell their app.
I'm surprised the EU didn't make a joint app, as it stands it's everyone for themselfs in effect.
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Well the EU have "agreed a technical framework to allow national apps to work across borders"... but yes, that then begs the question why not just make one app.
 
Islander said:
Well the EU have "agreed a technical framework to allow national apps to work across borders"... but yes, that then begs the question why not just make one app.
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Even that EU framework is just typical showing off,
Who do you trust more to build a truly interoperable framework.
Apple and Google in an incredibly rare joint partnership or governments who have motives that are counter to interoperability.

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Glad lock down is easing. Today I qued for 40 mins to recycle my stuff. 20 mins to get items from screwfix booked online and 20 mins to get into the garden centre to find no soil available for 3 weeks. Go team! Things are looking bright


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