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imanautie said:
^its the switching that's bad, using platform owner APIs is good.

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I'm not one for privatisation but when the two major phone OS developers are working together on something, they're going to do a better job than a government during a global pandemic.

In other news, lockdown in Scotland is still easing slowly. Still no timeframe for outdoor pubs/restuarants to reopen which was a surprise. Masks now mandatory in Scottish public transport and taxis from next week (I think) and according to Sturgeon they're still considering making masks mandatory in shops as well. Non essential shops will reopen at the end of the month.
 
Frankly they should have gone with the decentralised approach from the start. The centralised approach was controversial enough without giving it to two companies linked to the Cambridge Analytica privacy scandal (pals of Dominic Cummings), and without any laws safeguarding the retention and use of the data. That's not even considering the technical limitations which is why Google and Apple told them it wouldn't work. I wonder how much money they have squandered on this project?
 
So the welsh have the tightest lockdown restrictions and the two worst outbreaks in the U.K. so it’s obviously working.... not.
 
BigT said:
So the welsh have the tightest lockdown restrictions and the two worst outbreaks in the U.K. so it’s obviously working.... not.
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Obviously I’ll wait till I see official facts but what would you suggest should be done different then? Because if the best approach isn’t working then what is the solution going forward?.
 
speedy said:
Do you have a source for this? How does Scotland compare?
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[URL]https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-53091149


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Over 100 tested positive in 2 different factories.

Lockdown is a useful tool when the curve is on the way up but pointless on the way down as not enough people go out to catch it.
Both of the above are at essential key worker plants.
 
I wouldn’t say based on one company not taking it seriously to be an indication that we have messed up lockdown. Let’s look at it this way it’s an isolated incident if I read it correctly somewhere it says they knew 3 weeks ago of the first case. I think the thing I’m taking from this is that it shows convid only takes one person to spread fast.
 
BigT said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-53091149



Over 100 tested positive in 2 different factories.

Lockdown is a useful tool when the curve is on the way up but pointless on the way down as not enough people go out to catch it.
Both of the above are at essential key worker plants.
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Thanks for the link, I was Googling but couldn't find that.

I disagree with the idea that two outbreaks means the lockdown isn't working. Meat factories appear to be coronavirus hot spots, with there being outbreaks in multiple countries. It only takes one person in each case and if the factories were not following distancing/hygiene guidelines (2 Sisters' track record isn't great) then it'll spread.

EDIT: I didn't realise they also own Foxes biscuits :eek:
 
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BigT said:
So the welsh have the tightest lockdown restrictions and the two worst outbreaks in the U.K. so it’s obviously working.... not.
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This is the opposite of proof of lockdown not working. This is what would have happened everywhere had there not been a lockdown.
With this being the result where key workers are not locking down it shows how much bigger this could have been if everyone else had continued as normal.
 
pluk said:
This is the opposite of proof of lockdown not working. This is what would have happened everywhere had there not been a lockdown.
With this being the result where key workers are not locking down it shows how much bigger this could have been if everyone else had continued as normal.
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Don’t you find it strange that this has happened now? These places haven’t stopped at all, in fact they were busier than ever, Wales was supposedly two weeks behind so in theory locked down at the point most commentators said the U.K. should of yet still is getting these big flare ups but not England?
At this point in the cycle lockdown doesn’t work, test and trace does.
 
BigT said:
Don’t you find it strange that this has happened now? These places haven’t stopped at all, in fact they were busier than ever, Wales was supposedly two weeks behind so in theory locked down at the point most commentators said the U.K. should of yet still is getting these big flare ups but not England?
At this point in the cycle lockdown doesn’t work, test and trace does.
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It’s almost like you have a personal problem with wales or it’s lockdown. If you look into the case of this factory you’ll see it started 3 weeks sooner and the owners didn’t do anything. So you are basing the fact lockdown has failed in wales on factory’s with crap owners?. Our lockdown started the same as England nothing happened sooner then that so at that point we was inline with England it’s only after lockdown we decided how we was going to take it.
 
I wouldn't say two outbreaks at two factories represents an entire countries handling of the virus... it highlights poor management in said factories of how workers are/were being protected.

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I think what it shows is just how easily the virus can spread in certain environments. There have been outbreaks in various different countries inside meat production factories and it is thought that the cold, damp conditions of these facilities are perfect for the virus. It only takes one employee taking it in for a chain to set off, which is probably what happened. Why didn't it happen earlier? Who knows, good luck perhaps.

I agree that test and trace is one of the best ways of controlling the virus now. However I suppose it would help if those one in four who provide contact details upon a test but then cannot be contacted do actually get contacted! You're never going to contact everyone, but not getting a quarter of those who test positive is quite significant.
 
Rob said:
I agree that test and trace is one of the best ways of controlling the virus now. However I suppose it would help if those one in four who provide contact details upon a test but then cannot be contacted do actually get contacted! You're never going to contact everyone, but not getting a quarter of those who test positive is quite significant.
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I thought the non contactable rate would be a lot higher to be fair, you wouldn't need 100% compliance anyway to be effective. I wonder how many people will give false information though. You know, to get back at someone, or to think its funny to do so?

Quite a few people don't answer their phones from withheld and unknown numbers. I am one of them, unless I am expecting an important call, such as from my GP etc.

Then there is the farce of the track and trace app, which has now been ditched in favour of the Apple/Google one, but wont be ready for months now. However, there was no way I was going to download their original idea of the app, what, with them keeping your data for 20 years and running off a centralised system. Ye, sure they can be trusted with that??

Then of course we had Hancocks 'It's your civic duty' to use it (The phrase of which seems to become a bit of a buzz word now for people trying to shame others in to conforming to their rhetoric by saying 'It's your civic duty too...), and suggesting making it madatory to have. How would you enforce that? The Police can't exactly force you to let them look through your phone to ensure compliance, and if you are one of those who don't even have a smart phone? (Ye small minority but they are still there), would it be straight to the Gulag for an audience with Kim Jung Un?
 
Irishwoman emerges from 79 days on life support

A woman in the Republic of Ireland has been moved out of intensive care after spending 79 days on a ventilator.

Mary Sullivan was admitted after suffering a heart attack on 11 March and tested positive for Covid-19. She then developed respiratory failure and her condition deteriorated, leading her to require life support.

Doctors at the hospital in Cork where she is being treated believe she has spent the longest time on a ventilator of any Covid-19 patient in Ireland or the UK.

Broadcaster RTE showed staff applauding her as she left the hospital's intensive care unit on Thursday.

 
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