imanautie
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You know it's bad when Matt N is pessimistic
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You know it's bad when Matt N is pessimistic
Burbs
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Yes, I agree to an extent. I personally feel that locations will only rise up through the tier system and won't go down any time in the foreseeable future, even if cases/R rate/hospital admissions/deaths/whatever it's based on (who actually knows) decreases.
I also hate the phrase "new normal." This is not "normal", nor should it ever be. This isn't how the population can live for an extended period of time: wearing masks, social distancing, not seeing family or friends, the fact it's illegal to be socialising anywhere in more than a group of 6. I'm not saying I disagree with the measures at all, I think most of them are necessary on the face of it, but this isn't how it should go on for ever.
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I try not to be, and as I say, I’m incredibly hopeful that this vaccine I just talked about will make a considerable change to the course of the future, but it’s hard not to get somewhat bogged down and resigned to our current state when I’m surrounded by so many morbid news reports and doom and gloom future predictions. I am very hopeful that a vaccine will change the pandemic’s course for the better and start to carve us a path back to pre-COVID life, and that is currently my personal prediction, but the amount of people both on here and elsewhere who have told me off for being too optimistic and putting too much stock in a vaccine does make me doubt myself somewhat.
However, in direct contrast to what I said before, here’s an interesting read from VICE that gives me some hope of life eventually returning to how it was before: https://apple.news/Al27t0w45QZSv6Bcy5k--0g
The author of this article lives in Taiwan, which has not had a single domestically transmitted case of COVID since April, and they say that life is pretty much back to normal there. As an example, music concerts with thousands of people and no social distancing measures are being held, but cases of COVID are not rising at all.
It’s things like this that give me more hope that this will be behind us before too long!
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Sorry for double posting, but all of the country’s NHS trusts have apparently received memos telling them to prepare for a COVID-19 vaccination program to begin amongst NHS staff in December: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8875931/Coronavirus-vaccine-weeks-NHS-workers.html
Promising stuff! Clearly Oxford’s phase 3 trials are expected to be very good!
Promising stuff! Clearly Oxford’s phase 3 trials are expected to be very good!
Yep still waiting for ours
I hope they do better than the promise of PPE to hospitals, promise of world beating test and trace, promise of covid immunity test etc...
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Because they won't be able to squander millions on giving contracts to their mates?
You don't expect logic do you???
Locally, with some of the very highest infection rates in the nation, our local test station has gone from...
Walk in about six weeks ago.
Then it went booking only.
Now, with massive local infection rates, they have shut the bloody test centre down completely.
Why?
No reason, just happened apparently.
Locally, with some of the very highest infection rates in the nation, our local test station has gone from...
Walk in about six weeks ago.
Then it went booking only.
Now, with massive local infection rates, they have shut the bloody test centre down completely.
Why?
No reason, just happened apparently.
Rojo
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It depends on what you're defining as normal but it's clear that changes to working practices, cash and online/remote shopping have already been accelerated this year.
If you just mean getting out to concerts, sports, cinema, free to come and go as you please then I'm hopeful we can get that with or without a vaccine by next summer. Although a working vaccine would be a game changer.
I'm determined to end on a positive note for @Burbs;
People compare this to the flu vaccine but forget that the flu vaccine targets specific people in our society with a view to protect that person. The vaccine for Coronavirus will be almost certainly be mandatory and will be taken by a much higher percentage of the population, this is with the view to protect others, not just yourself.
Once our science communities can analyse the data we may start seeing significant leaps in medical science. Some of our greatest leaps in discoveries have come post outbreaks.(and wars)
It's not all doom and gloom. It's just hard to escape that narrative in the media! We'll get there Matt
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imanautie
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Whilst I don't think it will be legally mandatory (nor should it outside of certain high risk groups) it wouldn't surprise me if it became effectively mandatory due to private policies (so called immunity passports but for vaccines)It depends on what your defining as normal but it's clear that changes to working practices, cash and online/remote shopping have already been accelerated this year.
If you just mean getting out to concerts, sports, cinema, free to come and go as you please then I'm hopeful we can get that with or without a vaccine by next summer. Although a working vaccine would be a game changer.
I'm determined to end on a positive note for @Burbs;
People compare this to the flu vaccine but forget that the flu vaccine targets specific people in our society with a view to protect that person. The vaccine for Coronavirus will be almost certainly be mandatory and will be taking by a much higher percentage of the population, this is with the view to protect others, not just yourself.
Once our science communities can analyse the data we may start seeing significant leaps in medical science. Some of our greatest leaps in discoveries have come post outbreaks.(and wars)
It's not all doom and gloom. It's just hard to escape that narrative in the media! We'll get there Matt
Rojo
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I agree it won't be law but as you say we'll be coerced into it if we want jobs, to travel or enter certain venues,etc...
I can see the government campaign already
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Gammon alert. This response can't be serious can it?
I think the cornavirus crysis and the abysmal handling of it by the goverment is the iceing on the cake in terms of how the Tories have handled the country over the last 10 years.
The same people spout this are the peolle who believe the right wing media. In my opinion. Both in cornavirus and general.
pluk
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One of the 7 signs of the apocalypse I understand. The end is nigh.
That in just the second wave the mortality rate and overall severity is proving so much lower is surely a decent sign that in the longer term the virus will become less of an issue.
Where as I think the response has been pretty good for the most part, yes in hindsight some things haven't been perfect but when you are hit with the multitude of unknowns a new viral pandemic brings that will be the cases whoever is in charge.
I see the left wing believing everything they read in their online echo chamber and left wing press too.
* I did not vote for this government. Not am I looking to defend the poster of that bizarre quote.
3 different ITV Dr.s was saying on TV today that this is all News to them, they haven't received any official emails or heard of this and that they are front line NHS workers
BigT
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Gammon alert? Really what rock of you been hiding under? I don’t think it will come as a surprise to anyone on here that I lean slightly to the right.
If we all had the same opinion then the world would be a truly boring place but there’s no need for attempted insults no matter how bad they turn out to be.
Back to the topic in hand I guess you think a full lockdown would work better then? wouldn’t destroy the economy or cause more long term health issues?
There are tentative signs that we are currently towards the peak of the second blip of what’s really still the first wave. (I don’t buy into this second wave talk as the first wave never truly ended) but that would be a really difficult pill to swallow for majority of the media left or right so unlikely to be reported.
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One of the things I really don't understand about the new rules is that which concerns those in a relationship.
I believe it states that those in a relationship don't have to socially distance, but you can't meet said "established" lover in private (i.e. your home), and presumably the likes of pubs and restaurants too, but I'm not sure on that one. It doesn't affect me in the slightest (sad face) but of all the confusing rules and guidance, this has to be up there with the most trivial and ridiculous!
I believe it states that those in a relationship don't have to socially distance, but you can't meet said "established" lover in private (i.e. your home), and presumably the likes of pubs and restaurants too, but I'm not sure on that one. It doesn't affect me in the slightest (sad face) but of all the confusing rules and guidance, this has to be up there with the most trivial and ridiculous!
You can meet them if they are in your ‘support bubble’. I can’t imagine anyone in a relationship with someone they don’t live would not have them in their support bubble?