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delta79 said:
However i can see the government trying to muddy the water by saying in vaccination process.

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I really hate this government so not keen on saying anything that might be on their side but that’s not certain. They might announce the numbers who have had injection 1 but not injection 2 to show progress and promote people getting the vaccine themselves. If they do this AND publish the incomplete numbers (those who don’t attend for jab 2) I will be satisfied, I can believe they won’t do this however.
 
I wonder if the government will be counting the second jab as two jabs when publishing the total vaccination figures :rolleyes:

They were saying on ITV news that the second jab is reliant on a continuous supply as they are not holding back half of the current supply for the second jab. So if there is a disruption in the supply of the vaccine, then there might be a delay on your second jab, let's just hope a no trade deal Brexit don't put a spanner in the works with regards to importing the vaccine
 
https://aca.st/f2c61c

A really interesting and disturbing chat with the eloquent Benjamin Zephaniah on the always excellent Adam Buxton podcast. Puts his views on people fighting for some very misplaced conspiracy theories from covid deniers to the anti mask brigade much better than I could, backed up by some harrowing experiences. Well worth a listen.
 
It was also mentioned on the ITV news last night that the Oxford Vaccine was mainly tested in the trials on those age 55yrs and under. So the vaccine may not get approval for those over the age of 55yrs until more testing is done. So the Oxford vaccine could be given to only those under the age of 55yrs. This will mean that the youngsters may get to jump the vulnerable priority list when the Oxford vaccine is approved. So this will definitely push back the assumption that all vulnerable people will be vaccinated by Easter

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/oxf...ut-questions-on-those-above-55-report-2336087
 
RoyJess said:
It was also mentioned on the ITV news last night that the Oxford Vaccine was mainly tested in the trials on those age 55yrs and under. So the vaccine may not get approval for those over the age of 55yrs until more testing is done. So the Oxford vaccine could be given to only those under the age of 55yrs. This will mean that the youngsters may get to jump the vulnerable priority list when the Oxford vaccine is approved. So this will definitely push back the assumption that all vulnerable people will be vaccinated by Easter

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So if it not approved for over 55yr olds then its NHS, 999, care workers and vulnerable under 50. Getting it before anyone else

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Hopefully to Oxford vaccine does not give those with a history of serious allergies an allergic reaction like it appears the Pfizer vaccine does in some cases (as discovered yesterday). As it stands I would not be able to have the Pfizer vaccine, not that I am anywhere close to the even the middle of the queue for a vaccine!

But again it shows why those who can have the vaccine should take it. Not everyone will be able to have every vaccine, and some won't be able to have any of them. The best way to protect these people is with high uptake (assuming the vaccines do also reducde tranmission as well as prevent disease).
 
delta79 said:
Oh dear Pfizer vaccine has new allergic warning.

BBC News - Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55244122

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It’s a bit misleading really as Pfizer had reported the risk of allergic reaction as 1 in 1000 which is around standard for most drugs. The issue will be that 2 occurred on the same day, that’s probably just chance but the alert goes out because they want to be cautious.

It doesn’t mean people with severe allergies can’t have the vaccine long term, they will want to establish the link with these people existing allergies and whether it’s clearly associated with something in the vaccine (it’s usually the preservative and stabilising chemicals that cause the reactions) or whether there is a general association with a history of allergy and reactions to this drug.
 
With the end of the COVID crisis seemingly in sight with vaccinations having begun, I have one question for you all; once vaccination has become widespread enough to potentially think about easing restrictions, how do we think the government will go about easing them? Do we think they will throw away everything on one day, or do we think it will be a more phased approach? Or do we think they won’t remove any restrictions at all? (Given the onus all the politicians and even scientists have put upon 2021 being more normal than 2020, however, I’d personally say the chances of things staying as they are now forever look quite low)

Personally, I could see a phased removal of the tier system beginning in the spring as the government have promised. In terms of how it would go, I’m expecting something similar to what happened when coming out of lockdown 1.0 earlier in the year, where restrictions are eased very gradually so that the government can gauge the effect on the R number and cases, although I think the chances of any backtracking would be far lower this time around.

But what are your thoughts?
 
I expect (and hope) that Easter will be normal however we don't know how quickly they can vaccinate yet. I wouldn't want them to remove restrictions until all over 60s and vulnerable people are vaccinated, once they are vaccinated the R number shouldn't really matter as Covid isn't particularly dangerous to healthy adults (as I understand it), My biggest fear is that my town (Luton) has been threatened with tier 3 and I really don't want to go that way.
 
It won’t be a single moment, I suspect areas will gradually step down the tiers as hospital rates decrease.

I doubt all restrictions will lift in 2021.
 
I guess there will effectively be another tier added (it's no coincidence the lowest tier is called medium) which has little to no restrictions and will be allocated based on infection/hospital/death rates. We will come out of this staggered geographically.
 
They've even said today that they will be a slow release from the current restrictions
 
We are far off 'back to normal', I give 2022 at the earliest. The government will be very cautious with lifting restrictions and I imagine it will be dictated by infection rates and hospital admissions.

As the figures lower restrictions will be eased, however this leads to more risk as people start to cross paths more frequently. Wouldn't surprise me if we get a bit of a roller-coaster period over the next 12 months with the figures.

While vaccines are rolling out, this is great and a pivotal moment, however it does not signal the end anytime soon and while I can understand people are looking at the light at the end of the tunnel, personally I'm not expecting a normal life for at least another year or two.

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James said:
We are far off 'back to normal', I give 2022 at the earliest. The government will be very cautious with lifting restrictions and I imagine it will be dictated by infection rates and hospital admissions.

As the figures lower restrictions will be eased, however this leads to more risk as people start to cross paths more frequently. Wouldn't surprise me if we get a bit of a roller-coaster period over the next 12 months with the figures.

While vaccines are rolling out, this is great and a pivotal moment, however it does not signal the end anytime soon and while I can understand people are looking at the light at the end of the tunnel, personally I'm not expecting a normal life for at least another year or two.

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Spot on.
 
pluk said:
I guess there will effectively be another tier added (it's no coincidence the lowest tier is called medium) which has little to no restrictions and will be allocated based on infection/hospital/death rates. We will come out of this staggered geographically.
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I hope not or that will be everything north of Watford Gap forced to stay in restrictions longer whilst London with probably higher rates of COVID is set free as that’s exactly what happened a week ago.

I’d expect something along the lines of May/June this year when we came out of lockdown 1 and things are slowly opened up.
I’d also expect this to start around Easter as spring starts and everyone will start going out more again.
 
Too early to call really but my guess is a gradual relaxation from March throughout the spring, and then pretty much normal for the summer - I don't think that's overly optimistic. You've also go to factor in people's mental and physical health, and tolerance, which will decline more as the winter of harsh restrictions continues.
 
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