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Craig said:
If you enter a shop to buy essentials, you must shop alone except where you are with a carer
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The arguments me and my partner have afterwards if just one of us goes shopping is not good of mental health! Its far easier to both go together and get everything we need quickly than one of us attempt to work out what flavour soup the other one wants etc.

But yes I agree in general that allowing people to meet outdoors one on one isn't too much of an issue.

They still need to make it even more clear that people must not meet those outside their household/bubble indoors for socialising at all.
 
I think they have made it perfectly clear by now. Sadly we will have a good few million who do what they want when they want.

China and other Asian countries have gotten through this much better than us because a) they were more prepared due to previous pandemics that have mainly hit Asia and B) because Asian people are a lot more obedient and do as they're told.

I don't vote tory and I hate them with a passion but people are making excuses now about the rules. My 6yr old understands whats safe and what isn't so there are no excuses for any adults. People are just taking the Pee and doing what they want.
 
jon81uk said:
The arguments me and my partner have afterwards if just one of us goes shopping is not good of mental health! Its far easier to both go together and get everything we need quickly than one of us attempt to work out what flavour soup the other one wants etc.
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:tearsofjoy: I get that on the argument front, but it's ultimately not essential for two people to be in the shop. As quick as you may be, others end up blocking the aisles as they're walking next to each other and causing more opportunities for close contact with others. The aisles are just not wide enough to accommodate that at present. I'm glad the likes of Sainsbury's and Tesco seem to be enforcing their own rules on solo shoppers now, I just hope others will do the same if the government are not willing to act on it.
 
Benjsh said:
I think they have made it perfectly clear by now. Sadly we will have a good few million who do what they want when they want.

China and other Asian countries have gotten through this much better than us because a) they were more prepared due to previous pandemics that have mainly hit Asia and B) because Asian people are a lot more obedient and do as they're told.

I don't vote tory and I hate them with a passion but people are making excuses now about the rules. My 6yr old understands whats safe and what isn't so there are no excuses for any adults. People are just taking the Pee and doing what they want.
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If you believe the numbers from a communist country where the CCP have total control over the media.
 
Craig said:
Personally I think that's where the government would be better off amending the rules. I think there does need to be a consideration for mental health after all this time, pandemic or not. It'd be much better to say something along the lines of:
  • If alone, you can meet up with one other person outdoors once per day for exercise/a walk
  • Specify a distance as to what is classed as local in law
  • If you enter a shop to buy essentials, you must shop alone except where you are with a carer
That allows people to still catch up with someone, it's outdoors in a much safer environment, and limits to exposure within the more at risk indoors settings.

If you prevent people from meeting up with one other person outdoors, you're just going to push that socialising to shops or elsewhere indoors, where the risk is far higher.
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Here is how our other UK nations rules compare to us, they have a lot more clarity

Wales

The country is under Level 4 - equivalent to England's lockdown - with the guidance saying there are no limits on the distance you can travel during exercise, "though the nearer you stay to home, the better".

It says you should start and finish from your home.

But, like in England, there have been incidents where people have been fined for exercising too far from home.

On Saturday, a mother was fined for driving 17 miles to Aber Falls in Snowdonia National Park, where she said there were hardly any other people.

She said she believed she had been following the rules and thought it was better than walking down to the beach near her home, where she said there were about 40 families the following day.

Scotland

The mainland and Skye are under a Level 4 lockdown, which states that you can travel for exercise that starts and finishes at the same place.

But the rules are more specific as they say the place where you start and finish "can be up to five miles from the boundary of your local authority area".

So, as long as you know exactly where the boundary of your local authority area is, you are within the rules if you remain five miles from there.

Northern Ireland

The rules are slightly more clear in Northern Ireland, which is under a six-week lockdown that started on Boxing Day.

It says you should not travel more than 10 miles from your home to exercise.

If there are crowds when you arrive at the place you want to exercise from, you should find an alternative place, the rules add.

However, it does not say how far you can walk or cycle from that place.

The above source copied and pasted from here

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...kdown/ar-BB1cGphH?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

Benjsh said:
I don't vote tory and I hate them with a passion but people are making excuses now about the rules. My 6yr old understands whats safe and what isn't so there are no excuses for any adults. People are just taking the Pee and doing what they want.
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The problem is that this government don't know what they are doing, it seems like they are making it up as they go along. They are just simply winging it
 
RoyJess said:
Here is how our other UK nations rules compare to us, they have a lot more clarity

Wales

The country is under Level 4 - equivalent to England's lockdown - with the guidance saying there are no limits on the distance you can travel during exercise, "though the nearer you stay to home, the better".

It says you should start and finish from your home.

But, like in England, there have been incidents where people have been fined for exercising too far from home.

On Saturday, a mother was fined for driving 17 miles to Aber Falls in Snowdonia National Park, where she said there were hardly any other people.

She said she believed she had been following the rules and thought it was better than walking down to the beach near her home, where she said there were about 40 families the following day.

Scotland

The mainland and Skye are under a Level 4 lockdown, which states that you can travel for exercise that starts and finishes at the same place.

But the rules are more specific as they say the place where you start and finish "can be up to five miles from the boundary of your local authority area".

So, as long as you know exactly where the boundary of your local authority area is, you are within the rules if you remain five miles from there.

Northern Ireland

The rules are slightly more clear in Northern Ireland, which is under a six-week lockdown that started on Boxing Day.

It says you should not travel more than 10 miles from your home to exercise.

If there are crowds when you arrive at the place you want to exercise from, you should find an alternative place, the rules add.

However, it does not say how far you can walk or cycle from that place.

The above source copied and pasted from here

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...kdown/ar-BB1cGphH?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug



The problem is that this government don't know what they are doing, it seems like they are making it up as they go along. They are just simply winging it
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But really that is all irrelevant.

Whats important is:
Is it just the household/bubble?
Are they meeting others for purely socialising reasons?
Are they outdoors?

It doesn't actually make any significant difference if someone goes a little out of their local area as long as they don't meet others.
 
Danza91 said:
If you believe the numbers from a communist country where the CCP have total control over the media.
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They are all in restaurants and nightclubs. They have shown it and proved it.

It's not a hoax or a cover up. China used a different strategy to Europe. I was listening to an Australian politician the other day and he said they embarked using the European strategy and abandoned it after a week and went the same way as China and other Asian countries did. They have all handled it better than we did.
 
RoyJess said:
Here is how our other UK nations rules compare to us, they have a lot more clarity

Wales

The country is under Level 4 - equivalent to England's lockdown - with the guidance saying there are no limits on the distance you can travel during exercise, "though the nearer you stay to home, the better".

It says you should start and finish from your home.

But, like in England, there have been incidents where people have been fined for exercising too far from home.

On Saturday, a mother was fined for driving 17 miles to Aber Falls in Snowdonia National Park, where she said there were hardly any other people.

She said she believed she had been following the rules and thought it was better than walking down to the beach near her home, where she said there were about 40 families the following day.

Scotland

The mainland and Skye are under a Level 4 lockdown, which states that you can travel for exercise that starts and finishes at the same place.

But the rules are more specific as they say the place where you start and finish "can be up to five miles from the boundary of your local authority area".

So, as long as you know exactly where the boundary of your local authority area is, you are within the rules if you remain five miles from there.

Northern Ireland

The rules are slightly more clear in Northern Ireland, which is under a six-week lockdown that started on Boxing Day.

It says you should not travel more than 10 miles from your home to exercise.

If there are crowds when you arrive at the place you want to exercise from, you should find an alternative place, the rules add.

However, it does not say how far you can walk or cycle from that place.

The above source copied and pasted from here

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...kdown/ar-BB1cGphH?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug



The problem is that this government don't know what they are doing, it seems like they are making it up as they go along. They are just simply winging it
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They have made a mess of it no doubt but people by now understand how dangerous this thing is If we don't take measures.

My point is we don't need the government to tell us by this point. It's bleeding obvious what we shouldn't be doing.
 
Benjsh said:
They have made a mess of it no doubt but people by now understand how dangerous this thing is If we don't take measures.

My point is we don't need the government to tell us by this point. It's bleeding obvious what we shouldn't be doing.
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I fully agree with you....

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Benjsh said:
They are all in restaurants and nightclubs. They have shown it and proved it.

It's not a hoax or a cover up. China used a different strategy to Europe. I was listening to an Australian politician the other day and he said they embarked using the European strategy and abandoned it after a week and went the same way as China and other Asian countries did. They have all handled it better than we did.
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China only started being more transparent after weeks of withholding information from the WHO. This cost the world valuable time. https://apnews.com/article/3c061794970661042b18d5aeaaed9fae

Asia absolutely handled it better, but I think it's too simplistic to say it's because they 'do as they're told'. Japan and South Korea for example are healthy nations with two of the highest life expectancies on the planet, and a greater number of hospital beds per 1,000. They've had no national lockdowns and few deaths compared to other nations.

I personally don't think it's been highlighted enough how unhealthy a nation the UK is. The Government have been useless but we also have a major health problem over here, where people are happy to queue for an hour for a McDonald's .
 
Danza91 said:
I personally don't think it's been highlighted enough how unhealthy a nation the UK is. The Government have been useless but we also have a major health problem over here, where people are happy to queue for an hour for a McDonald's .
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Agreed. There is definitely something wrong when Cosmopolitan Magazine include a front page picture of a very obese woman in training gear, with the caption 'THIS IS HEALTHY'. I'm all for people being proud of their bodies, no matter what shape they are but this is irresponsible. I'm no picture of health at the moment, but bloody hell. What next, Maccies appearing on the front of Mens Health saying that Big Macs will give you a beach body.
 
So just two days ago, the government were saying there was 'not a clamour for jabs after 8pm' when asked about 24/7 vaccine sites. Clearly, this was because there was not sufficient supply or manpower to deliver it. But instead for some reason they went down the route of saying there was no demand. Cue a shedload of people saying they would happily go out at 2am for a jab.

Now today, just 48 hours later they've finally admitted in PMQs that 24/7 sites will be available as soon as possible but there's pressure on the supply of doses.

The government need to be clear with the public instead of this blatant lying. Trust is absolutely essentially in trying to get as many people as possible to adhere to the rules, and things like this really don't help matters.

Danza91 said:
Asia absolutely handled it better, but I think it's too simplistic to say it's because they 'do as they're told'. Japan and South Korea for example are healthy nations with two of the highest life expectancies on the planet, and a greater number of hospital beds per 1,000. They've had no national lockdowns and few deaths compared to other nations.
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There were some restrictions in Asia, South Korea closed schools and nurseries pretty quickly and sports stadiums were closed to crowds for example. Japan wasn't able to order closures for businesses or enforce a lockdown under law. However, there was a large public information campaign begging citizens to stay at home which thanks to high compliance resulted in a lockdown pretty much in all but name. There were also requests for businesses to close or restrict opening hours in exchange for government funding which many seemed to accept and adhere to as fewer people were around anyway. Mask wearing is already incredibly common in Japan, and it was already well accepted that if you have a cold or sniffle then a mask should be worn to protect others. So a huge hurdle in the reasoning behind masks was already in the public's minds in Japan.

Obviously a generally healthier population is a factor, but the sheer level of organisation concerning contact tracing also plays a huge part. South Korea's for example was incredibly thorough, as is their handling of inbound travellers. Japan moved quickly to identify clusters and isolate close contacts quickly, and international travel wise they restricted all foreigners except for business travellers, which has just been reviewed to exclude all foreigners until further notice.

That said, Asia is not immune to this current wave of cases. Japan is struggling with a massive increase in cases at present, and South Korea is just starting to recover from their largest wave yet. One thing is clear though, quick decisive action is what is needed to drive these cases down quickly, and on contact tracing and decision making that seems to be where our government have fell down massively. There absolutely does need to be a health campaign too, they seemed to push this for a bit after Johnson was in hospital then it all but disappeared. Perhaps it's one they really need to consider longer term for future as things progress.
 
With 24/7 vaccination centre. Why did they not go for the vague ' this is something we are looking into' and moved on.

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delta79 said:
With 24/7 vaccination centre. Why did they not go for the vague ' this is something we are looking into' and moved on.

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Because that would make too much sense and not allow Boris to have this 'saviour complex' I suspect he may be going for...:rolleyes:
 
Jonathan said:
Because that would make too much sense and not allow Boris to have this 'saviour complex' I suspect he may be going for...:rolleyes:
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He's not the Messiah
He's a very naughty boy!
(Ok, I'm sorry)

On a more serious note, I think he knows that if he admits incompetence then the opposition and the media will be all over him so he has to be careful what he says.
 
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