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Coronavirus - The Poll

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I had a dream last night that i was 60s tv show the prisoner. And the white sentinel orbs where covid19 cells
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This talk of doctors prioritising those who are more useful to society is sobering. I'm not even talking about those prioritising those more likely to survive, I'm hearing of reports of disabled people/those with learning difficulties being denied access to ventilators. It's the sort of thing you may expect to hear from elsewhere but not from within the UK. Terrible, and a slippery slope.
 
speedy said:
This talk of doctors prioritising those who are more useful to society is sobering. I'm not even talking about those prioritising those more likely to survive, I'm hearing of reports of disabled people/those with learning difficulties being denied access to ventilators. It's the sort of thing you may expect to hear from elsewhere but not from within the UK. Terrible, and a slippery slope.
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This is nothing new, the NHS did the same thing with cancer treatment a few years ago, only giving treatment to those that can give back to society as they didn't have the resources to treat everyone.
 
I wouldn't call it eugenics, just the sad realities of when a pandemic overwhelms the capacity of your healthcare system. We don't like to think of one person's life being more important than another person's life but that is a decision that doctors will have to make when capacity is breached. Those with the best chances of survival will have to take precedence, as sad as that is.
 
Alsty said:
I wouldn't call it eugenics, just the sad realities of when a pandemic overwhelms the capacity of your healthcare system. We don't like to think of one person's life being more important than another person's life but that is a decision that doctors will have to make when capacity is breached. Those with the best chances of survival will have to take precedence, as sad as that is.
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I'm okay with choosing based on chances of survival. The usefulness of someone in society should not have any play in it whatsoever. Someone in a wheelchair or with learning disabilities isn't less likely to survive.

Of course this problem wouldn't be so great if we had some spare capacity in the NHS to deal with this situation.
 
I'm curious why you think doctors will be basing their decisions on perceived usefulness?
 
My comments come after reading thoughts of a few disabled folks on Twitter, and the viral tweet I mentioned earlier. It was also being discussed on Jeremy Vine today
 
But isn't this just the usual misinformation and populist headline grabbing stuff we've come to expect from some of our lowlife journalists? What makes you think it's credible?
 
The reality is those that are most likely to benefit from treatment (ie survive it) are the ones who will receive the treatment, as it always has been. The one exception might be Dr's and Nurse's, we need them fitter quicker to carry on the fight and if we lost a significant amount the overall volume of deaths would obviously be greater.
 
Alsty said:
But isn't this just the usual misinformation and populist headline grabbing stuff we've come to expect from some of our lowlife journalists? What makes you think it's credible?
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You're right the story could be false. However I trust that the folks that retweeted/spoke about this wouldn't have unless there was truth in it.
 
Austin Towers said:
They might have to make some difficult decisions WHEN the hospital's are full and at breaking point.

Keep your sanity. Switch off the news and ignore 99.9% of the internet.
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Am already trying to, which is why my only source on this is Twitter. I disabled my Facebook for 7 days and have hardly looked at it since then. It does help, I've spent more time doing other things :)
 
There are some good scientists and virologists though to follow on Twitter, such as....

@HelenBranswell
@KrutikaKuppalli
@ViralRNA
@K_G_Andersen
@HelenChuMD
@angie_rasmussen
@florian_krammer
@MackayIM
@kakape
@mugecevik

This group is particularly interesting as they show how they trace the origins of the outbreaks around the world

@nextstrain
 
I like to think I'm a reasonably hard-wearing kinda guy. Not prone to freaking out easily. Usually level headded and all that.

... But popping out to the shops these days has become damn scary.
 
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