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I think it’s a no win situation really, yes the protesters are desperate for their voices and thoughts to be known but really in the higher government who’s listening right now?. This is still a serious pandemic affecting every type of community so it’s not about we don’t want to hear the views it’s more like wait till it’s safe when you won’t have the chance to kill x amount of people due a virus and then that’s when people will sit up and listen and take note. I don’t get why that’s so hard to understand. If a second wave did occur from these protests and we ended up in lockdown again do you think people will still say the protests was a excellent idea?.
John
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It's easy to see how someone who maybe doesn't move in particularly diverse circles might dismiss racism is a relatively minor issue in the UK. From that starting POV, the current UK protests would look reckless.
Telling such people to "educate yourself" isn't particularly helpful either BTW. I am concerned about a possible increase in racist attacks if covid 19 cases spike in ~2 weeks.
Telling such people to "educate yourself" isn't particularly helpful either BTW. I am concerned about a possible increase in racist attacks if covid 19 cases spike in ~2 weeks.
speedy
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You've probably seen it before, but this graphic sums up quite nicely why you should not say "All Lives Matter"
Alsty
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But Coronavirus makes no such distinction, which I think is the point being made. There will be more infections as a result of this protest.
However I take the point that for many, racism is a far more serious problem than Coronavirus and the protests are worth it and justifiable to them.
Stuie
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You've probably seen it before, but this graphic sums up quite nicely why you should not say "All Lives Matter"
Stuie
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I hope that we do, in the future.
Spookle15
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The inability of some people to understand that reason behind the gatherings be it for the "purpose of leisure" or a gathering "that is the consequence of desperation / necessity" is not the issue. That to me is pretty incredible.
The issue is not what is causing the gatherings.
The issue is not the reason for the gatherings.
The issue (on this forum at least from what I can see) is not anything to do with any reason why people are gathering.
It is simply.... people are gathering..... in numbers that are dangerous. Not dangerous in 2019, 2018 or 2017 or any other year. But June 2020. The present time. That is all.
I would love someone to try and calculate the number of people on UK beaches (some of which have been closed to the public), then calculate the people who were not social distancing (of which I'm sure like the protests some were, I'm not condemning people for being outside trying to stay 2m apart) and then try and calculate the number of people marching in the UK, across various cities and then calculate how many were not social distancing.
Maybe then we could end this discussion. Because it seems to me like it's beaches vs. protests. And whether one is more likely to transmit the virus more than the other. Or in some cases who cares if it did. If the virus could laugh, its probably having a good chuckle right now.
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Face masks, is anyone wearing them when they go out? We're starting to venture outside a little bit more. B&Q yesterday..... my nerves have yet to recover....never going again....ever. Although I can't blame the store or the staff really, it's other people not keeping... no not even trying to keep 2m away. Me and my brother have decided we'd probably feel more comfortable around people if we were wearing masks. We are seeing quite a few people of all ages with them on. Just wondered what people are doing themselves and if it's not mandatory would you wear one anyway?
The issue is not what is causing the gatherings.
The issue is not the reason for the gatherings.
The issue (on this forum at least from what I can see) is not anything to do with any reason why people are gathering.
It is simply.... people are gathering..... in numbers that are dangerous. Not dangerous in 2019, 2018 or 2017 or any other year. But June 2020. The present time. That is all.
I would love someone to try and calculate the number of people on UK beaches (some of which have been closed to the public), then calculate the people who were not social distancing (of which I'm sure like the protests some were, I'm not condemning people for being outside trying to stay 2m apart) and then try and calculate the number of people marching in the UK, across various cities and then calculate how many were not social distancing.
Maybe then we could end this discussion. Because it seems to me like it's beaches vs. protests. And whether one is more likely to transmit the virus more than the other. Or in some cases who cares if it did. If the virus could laugh, its probably having a good chuckle right now.
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Face masks, is anyone wearing them when they go out? We're starting to venture outside a little bit more. B&Q yesterday..... my nerves have yet to recover....never going again....ever. Although I can't blame the store or the staff really, it's other people not keeping... no not even trying to keep 2m away. Me and my brother have decided we'd probably feel more comfortable around people if we were wearing masks. We are seeing quite a few people of all ages with them on. Just wondered what people are doing themselves and if it's not mandatory would you wear one anyway?
imanautie
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I won't be wearing one unless I'm in public transport mode (with the last bus I took being to work on lockdown day), that's not because I don't think people should be wearing masks but more them tripping sensory overload in me.
If you can wear do so.
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Alsty
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I wore a mask a few weeks ago to the supermarket after the government recommended them. I was perhaps one of about three people in the entire store to do so, so I haven't worn one since. To be honest the government's advice on face masks has been severely lacking... phrases such as "wear a mask if you can" and "wear a mask in some shops" is just so wishy-washy. Shouldn't the message be "You must wear a mask"? What's with all the vague requests?
As for things like mandating masks on public transport... but not until a couple of weeks later... well, it just makes the government look (even more) silly.
As for things like mandating masks on public transport... but not until a couple of weeks later... well, it just makes the government look (even more) silly.
Spookle15
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From my ventures outside I think the only thing I can say is this:
Most shops have the ability for people to stay 2m away. That doesn't mean people are doing that. Briefly passing someone within 2m for seconds or maybe up to a minute if you're both looking at something but you personally can't move away (this happened a lot yesterday, I got trapped.... like pac-man vs. ghosts) it probably isn't a contagious situation..... but I would feel better if I had a mask on, and probably even better if they had one on as well.
It was interesting reading about face masks on Boots.com, even the medical grade will only protect you from water droplets not air bourne particles. But I gather it's the former we should be concerned about? In which case a lot of masks are not protecting against that, but hopefully prevent someone who is wearing a mask spreading it.
So I guess ultimately if the wearer is less likely to spread it, the more people wearing mask should make shopping safer for all.
Most shops have the ability for people to stay 2m away. That doesn't mean people are doing that. Briefly passing someone within 2m for seconds or maybe up to a minute if you're both looking at something but you personally can't move away (this happened a lot yesterday, I got trapped.... like pac-man vs. ghosts) it probably isn't a contagious situation..... but I would feel better if I had a mask on, and probably even better if they had one on as well.
It was interesting reading about face masks on Boots.com, even the medical grade will only protect you from water droplets not air bourne particles. But I gather it's the former we should be concerned about? In which case a lot of masks are not protecting against that, but hopefully prevent someone who is wearing a mask spreading it.
So I guess ultimately if the wearer is less likely to spread it, the more people wearing mask should make shopping safer for all.
I haven’t left the house since March it’s just one of those things but now I’m starting to see how much stuff I normally would leave the house for and find it cheaper to buy online. I used to enjoy heading out to the shops but now I’m seeing how overpriced some things have become I’ll just order it online.
Spookle15
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We're finding the opposite actually. Our food shopping is now being done in one shop (online) and it's so high because we have lost the ability to pick up the same items in a different store but for cheaper. Things like batteries that we normally get in poundland (pack of 12) for things like clocks and handsets maybe would cost £10 to keep us going it was nearly three times that online and we didn't get as many batteries as normal.
Mum has specific shops she goes to for specific things because they are cheaper and that's not an option at the moment. B&M have got many brand items for so much less than the supermarkets. And for things like household cleaners etc, Savers is also excellent value. I'm not saying the big supermarkets have put their prices up, but if you never used to buy certain items from them, it seems like they have because the difference is immense.
We've always used a mix of shops and online so that hasn't changed, but what has changed is the stuff we were forced to buy online (although that feeling is lessening now as more places open up) that we used to pick up in a shop. We won't continue to do so when this is all over.
I also nipped into M&S yesterday. Warning if you haven't been into a supermarket since March - sensory overload. I was moving from one aisle to the next like I'd forgotten what bread on a shelf looked like. Came out with some stuff, halfway home forgot to look out for this, that, this and the other! We picked up some sticky buns, post-lockdown I would eat them for as many days that ended in a "Y". My brother pointed them out to me.... huh, what's a bun? What is life? Genuinely had no idea what he was talking about even after he pointed at them.......it was so strange being outside but inside a store.
BeccaH
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I've been volunteering in a pharmacy and I'm given the option of wearing a mask but i don't because I'm asthmatic (but not in the high risk group) and I have anxiety disorder, and with the mask I struggle to breathe, which then triggers my asthma and in turn, my anxiety because I can't breathe very well. It's the same in supermarkets, but if asked to wear one I will.
Jonathan
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I really don't like the idea of wearing a face mask. I'm trying to hold off it for as long as I possibly can because I just know I'll find it really claustrophobic, and I really don't want to run the risk of having a panic attack or something - a problem heightened by my sensory issues due to being autistic. IF my employer mandates the use of face coverings, I'll do everything I can to get hold of a visor instead. That way, I'll have some form of protection, and my breathing won't be as restricted.
imanautie
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Spookle15
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Yes, I have seen a few people with visors as well. Also staff serving wearing just visors.
I think it's about making you feel safe and comfortable first and foremost. And people should respect that. I can understand issues with anxiety etc, so it makes sense if you think wearing a mask will make you feel unwell then you shouldn't have to wear one. I'm sure there are lots of groups who would be advised against wearing masks.
There are definitely alternatives out there if it becomes more of an issue in the future.
I think it's about making you feel safe and comfortable first and foremost. And people should respect that. I can understand issues with anxiety etc, so it makes sense if you think wearing a mask will make you feel unwell then you shouldn't have to wear one. I'm sure there are lots of groups who would be advised against wearing masks.
There are definitely alternatives out there if it becomes more of an issue in the future.
Jonathan
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I have no idea. I'd hope so, otherwise I could be having quite a problem...