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Fantastic news! It has been found that a £5 steroid named dexamethasone has been found to reduce death rates by a third for ventilator patients and a fifth for patients needing oxygen: https://apple.news/AGZvPGzEpQ3y8YCzIqPqB3A

This is already widely available and has been for years, so this should hopefully be a really promising step in terms of getting those deaths down!
 
Matt N said:
Fantastic news! It has been found that a £5 steroid named dexamethasone has been found to reduce death rates by a third for ventilator patients and a fifth for patients needing oxygen: https://apple.news/AGZvPGzEpQ3y8YCzIqPqB3A

This is already widely available and has been for years, so this should hopefully be a really promising step in terms of getting those deaths down!
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Well the government have been saying vaccine or treatment, I guess this will form part of the standard treatment package now.

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Nipped to the Co-Op earlier and just as I arrived to queue to get in, a 30-something y/o with 5 kids, all under 5 years old, and another young lady in her early-20s all rocked up together in front of me in the queue. Kids running riot in the plaza area out the front and she didn't seem the least bit interested. Her and family member/friend were saying they should have left them at home with a.n.other who could have looked after them.

Yeah, you should have.
 
Are you allowed to have more than one person from your household go into the supermarket at once? My mum always told me that only one member from your household should go in, because she said I wasn’t allowed to go when I offered to help her with the shopping.
 
Matt N said:
Are you allowed to have more than one person from your household go into the supermarket at once? My mum always told me that only one member from your household should go in, because she said I wasn’t allowed to go when I offered to help her with the shopping.
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I don't think it's expressly forbidden, but it's definitely recommended that people only shop individually. Heavily recommended. People don't care though - when I go shopping, others seem to treat it as a family outing :-/
 
I’m sure people have their reasons for taking children into the supermarket; maybe they couldn’t find childcare?
 
Matt N said:
I’m sure people have their reasons for taking children into the supermarket; maybe they couldn’t find childcare?
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Oh I don't think anyone would be critical of say a single parent going shopping with their kids (I mean I say that... some people would be critical, but they'd be wrong).

When you see large groups though, of multiple adults and kids... well clearly at least one of those adults could have stayed at home with the kids.

Also I see far, far more couples shopping together nowadays than I ever did before the crisis lol.
 
Islander said:
I don't think it's expressly forbidden, but it's definitely recommended that people only shop individually. Heavily recommended. People don't care though - when I go shopping, others seem to treat it as a family outing :-/
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Considering there's several reports from nearly all of the major supermarkets of non speaking autistics being refused entry with a carer shops seem to disagree.

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Our local Aldi seems to be enforcing it when it's busy, but not when it's quiet. They usually have someone on the door providing sanitised trolleys, but recently they've only had them on days where there's a queue to get in
 
Matt N said:
Are you allowed to have more than one person from your household go into the supermarket at once? My mum always told me that only one member from your household should go in, because she said I wasn’t allowed to go when I offered to help her with the shopping.
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You are I believe, it was just the extremity of it that wound me up! If there'd not been someone else at home to babysit then I totally understand, and under normal circumstances I'd have no right to judge, but it's the fact that she said it herself that there was someone at home to look after the kids, she just chose not to. Common sense must prevail.
 
I work at Sainsbury's, and I can't speak for other stores, but people reach over me all the time to grab stuff. They also barrel right down the middle of the aisle when I've squeezed myself to one side and the other side's completely empty for ages. People just have zero perception of where others are, and my spatial awareness is pretty poor at times as it is!
 
I go in with my mum because she has a shoulder problem that means she can't lift things or push a heavy trolley, and her surgery and physio has been cancelled. At first we had to say why we were both going in but now it's not questioned.
But every time we go there's always someone with zero concept of social distancing, so I've had my fair share of panic attacks in Aldi.
 
The good news keeps on coming this evening! SinoVac, the company in China creating one of the front-running coronavirus vaccines, has announced that their candidate has passed Phase 2 trials with flying colours! Over 90% of the recipients created antibodies that can fight COVID-19 with no adverse side effects reported: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...e-response-90-patients-early-human-tests.html

Fantastic news, in my opinion! My hopes for a vaccine by the end of 2020 are definitely increasing now!
 
re: supermarkets. it's probably worth remembering that people will be interpreting the guidance differently. Some people are mentally measuring out 2m and trying to maintain that at all times, other people will be quite happy to come within that distance for a few seconds to pass someone. Personally, if I'm following someone I won't get too close, but I will take any opportunity to get past someone slow - if there's people stopped just over 2m apart on opposite sides of the aisle in Aldi I'm not going to wait for one of them to move so I can pass the other.
 
John said:
re: supermarkets. it's probably worth remembering that people will be interpreting the guidance differently. Some people are mentally measuring out 2m and trying to maintain that at all times, other people will be quite happy to come within that distance for a few seconds to pass someone. Personally, if I'm following someone I won't get too close, but I will take any opportunity to get past someone slow - if there's people stopped just over 2m apart on opposite sides of the aisle in Aldi I'm not going to wait for one of them to move so I can pass the other.
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That's generally what I do. I can't begrudge anyone for stopping to search the shelf but if I waited for all of them I'd never get out, and someone else will probably walk past me.

As for going in with other people our Sainsbury's was really hot on stopping it, but at some point they took away the person sanitizing at the doors and without them being their they couldn't control it. I don't mind it if people have a good reason.
 
Yesterday marks 91 days or 13 weeks since I got ill with COVID (never confirmed with a test but clinically diagnosed) and the past 10 days have been by far the worst. Last week I was able to get to walk around the Gardens, visit the chained oak and walk around the local park. Since then I've been unable to leave the house due to lung pain, intense headaches, vertigo and breathlessness. Every test I've had has come back clear. I've since been told I have Post Viral Fatigue and expect the ups and downs to last for 6-12 months. Yay(!)

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...-news/its-like-being-possessed-demon-18396486

The "long tail" is supposedly affecting 1 in 10 and it really isn't discriminating on who it affects. More infuriatingly the whole government rhetoric is you survive and get better in 14 days or you die. The NHS is equally unprepared for this by dismissing people with Anxiety, PVF, ME/CFS or Asthma and all we can do is take water, paracetamol and rest. I don't blame the NHS the data is new and mimicing the symptoms of Glandular Fever, so the advice is staying the same until the data finds an effective way to treat it. The Government however seems intent on avoiding the so called long haulers as it could potentially stop people going back out to shops and dent their "recovery plan".

This video amazingly explains why herd immunity is probably unlikely because not all recoveries are producing antibodies


Dr John Campbell is also a great resource to follow on YouTube. After a recent study from South Korea he explains in layman terms why re-infection is unlikely (huzzah!)
 
My local ASDA now seems to be a free for all again. I've not had to queue on any of my visits over the last couple of weeks, and the last two there has been nobody manning the door to limit entry. Seems same at Morrisons & Aldi too.

The one way system they have in ASDA is pointless. The store is massive and the isles very wide. You still have to walk past people stopped in the isles picking something up, especially those who take ages. It is generally ignored, probably because they seem to change it every other week (and are then greated by the previous no entry sign and an arrow suggesting its ok to walk dowwn there with out being sent to the Gulag).

At the Bus station in town, some bright spark has come up with the following to 'aid social distancing'. Closing off 4 of the 10 stands (usually 7 in regular use with frequency of service from 10 mins to every hour). Of the 6 that are left, 2 have been designated as drop off only, then the buses move forward to pick up on one of the remaining 4 stands in use that are pick up only. But of course, all of those that have been dropped off, then have to walk past those queueing to get on the same bus they have just got off. With the reduced number of stands, everyone is shoehorned in to a small area, so you then have a fair number of people all waiting for different buses, and its impossible to queue 2 metres apart, especially when combined with all those that have been dropped off at the far end trying to fit in the mix as well.

The local indoor shopping centre (I use the term shopping losely, as unless you want a mobile phone or a vaping product, theres not much else there), has a walk on the right hand side system in place, so those passing in the opposite direction then don't mingle with anyone coming the other way. What instead happens is everyone is shoehorned in to a narrow pathway rather than being able to spread out, and get caught behing the slowest person so everyone bunches up, terrified to even try to pass them. Any attempt to pass said slow person and even dare to stradle to 'DO NOT PASS' line down the middle is met by a medley of loud hailers and being surrounded by over zelous people in high viz vests who seem to think 2 metres is about the length of an arm.

Also, everywhere is adorned by signs saying Dont do this, dont do that or else.

I hope that the 2 metre guidance does get dropped soon, at least in the interim, reduced to 1m. Its not sustainable. People, being people, even the introvert ones need social interaction. Its part of our psyche. You can't beat that out of people no matter how hard you try. Eventually it will fail anyway, which it is starting to do, because people, will be, well, people.

When ever there is a slight easing of lockdown, social media is full of 'It's too soon', '2nd wave coming', 'Millions going to die' and the like. When is the right time? The idea of lockdown was to flatten out the curve, ensure the health service can cope, and not be overwhealmed like in some countries. It was never about total eradication or staying under house arrest until a vaccine, but with what you read now days from Government and scientists, this seems to what they want us to believe. At some point we will have to accept, just like with any other virus, that some people may succumb to it. At the moment, it seems to be sod everything else and what ever anyone may die of as a result. Some people mental health is really suffering too, I have seen this first hand, and its scary, but in the great big scheme of things, this seems to no longer matter.

I am glad people from single households can now meet up again, and even dare to be less than 2 metres from each other, I hopefully will take advangtage of that this weekend. Hopefully the beginning of the long road back to a normal normality, not a 'New Normal'
 
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