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The Psychoaster said:
Stelios said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18610066

He won't see out the 3 years he signed for, he will get Spurs 5th place and the board still have faith for the Portugese players to pull through for them after not bonding well with the Prem All-Stars that is Spurs and be sacked by January 2014.

Or am I being too negative?
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Not quite sure how he could be sacked for incompetence in this league and then be reappointed within the year. He was utterly useless for us, continued to play tactics that caused us to lose game on game and refused to change his philosophy. Hopefully he does the same to the detriment of Spurs.
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Or in other words, he got sacked because John Terry didn't like him and you're players just aren't good enough technically to play the football he was trying to employ. Had he actually been given the job long term he'd have done well, because he'd have got rid of all the egos in the Chelski dressing room and got in players that A: Can play good football, and B: Actually listen to their manager and want to play for him.

Andre is, in my opinion, the best young manager in the game and I fully believe that, given the job long term, will be a success at Spurs.
 
I agree, he's a good manager, what he did at Porto was amazing, and while at Chelsea, his points per game record and goal difference was actually better than Di Matteo, not to mention Chelsea finished lower in the table than where they were before he was sacked, but unfortunately parking the bus to European Cup success does a good job of glossing over that.

He wasn't sacked for being a bad manager, John Terry sacked him because he didn't like him.

I'd like to wish him success at Spurs, but as our success rests on beating Spurs to fourth, I also wish him abject failure. :p
 
I can't deny that he is a good manager, but I think he is struggling to adapt to the English game and is incapable of making his mark on the squad mix well with the rest of the team.

I do wish him the best though.

Also Matt Mills for Bolton can partner well with Wheats and be our signing of the season.
 
Blaze said:
I agree, he's a good manager, what he did at Porto was amazing, and while at Chelsea, his points per game record and goal difference was actually better than Di Matteo, not to mention Chelsea finished lower in the table than where they were before he was sacked, but unfortunately parking the bus to European Cup success does a good job of glossing over that.

He wasn't sacked for being a bad manager, John Terry sacked him because he didn't like him.

I'd like to wish him success at Spurs, but as our success rests on beating Spurs to fourth, I also wish him abject failure. :p
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Yeah, let's look at points per game as a judgement of how well a manager did. Let's use Spurs as a prime example, they undoubtedly gained more but look where they ended up. RDM, on the contrary, got us into the Champions League again (which never would have happened under AVB), and won the FA Cup.

A manager has to play to the strengths of the squad he has - if they aren't suited to the philosophy he wants to play then he shouldn't be continuing to captain a sinking ship. RDM probably didn't want to play defensive football but he realised that was the best strength of the team - and look what he did by using that strength to his advantage. AVB was obstinate and failed - and I hope beyond hope that he does the same with Spurs - who I pray lose Modric and once again purchase mediocre players.
 
The Psychoaster said:
Blaze said:
I agree, he's a good manager, what he did at Porto was amazing, and while at Chelsea, his points per game record and goal difference was actually better than Di Matteo, not to mention Chelsea finished lower in the table than where they were before he was sacked, but unfortunately parking the bus to European Cup success does a good job of glossing over that.

He wasn't sacked for being a bad manager, John Terry sacked him because he didn't like him.

I'd like to wish him success at Spurs, but as our success rests on beating Spurs to fourth, I also wish him abject failure. :p
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Yeah, let's look at points per game as a judgement of how well a manager did. Let's use Spurs as a prime example, they undoubtedly gained more but look where they ended up. RDM, on the contrary, got us into the Champions League again (which never would have happened under AVB), and won the FA Cup.

A manager has to play to the strengths of the squad he has - if they aren't suited to the philosophy he wants to play then he shouldn't be continuing to captain a sinking ship. RDM probably didn't want to play defensive football but he realised that was the best strength of the team - and look what he did by using that strength to his advantage. AVB was obstinate and failed - and I hope beyond hope that he does the same with Spurs - who I pray lose Modric and once again purchase mediocre players.
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I think you're confusing a Manager with a Head Coach there mate. ;)

Head Coaches are people who work under a Director of Football* (who decides on signings/contracts) and simply do the tactics and man management aspects. A Manager of a football club is someone who's job it is to make the signings he views as being most beneficial to both the squad and the club. AVB had every right to purchase the players he thought fit, and it's not his fault if the current players decided to throw their toys out the pram when they saw their status as key players was under threat by younger, potentially better players.

*Unless of course a chairman employs both a Director of Football and a Manager, in which case the DOF is basically a glorified head scout.

:)
 
Adz95 said:
The Psychoaster said:
Blaze said:
I agree, he's a good manager, what he did at Porto was amazing, and while at Chelsea, his points per game record and goal difference was actually better than Di Matteo, not to mention Chelsea finished lower in the table than where they were before he was sacked, but unfortunately parking the bus to European Cup success does a good job of glossing over that.

He wasn't sacked for being a bad manager, John Terry sacked him because he didn't like him.

I'd like to wish him success at Spurs, but as our success rests on beating Spurs to fourth, I also wish him abject failure. :p
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Yeah, let's look at points per game as a judgement of how well a manager did. Let's use Spurs as a prime example, they undoubtedly gained more but look where they ended up. RDM, on the contrary, got us into the Champions League again (which never would have happened under AVB), and won the FA Cup.

A manager has to play to the strengths of the squad he has - if they aren't suited to the philosophy he wants to play then he shouldn't be continuing to captain a sinking ship. RDM probably didn't want to play defensive football but he realised that was the best strength of the team - and look what he did by using that strength to his advantage. AVB was obstinate and failed - and I hope beyond hope that he does the same with Spurs - who I pray lose Modric and once again purchase mediocre players.
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I think you're confusing a Manager with a Head Coach there mate. ;)

Head Coaches are people who work under a Director of Football* (who decides on signings/contracts) and simply do the tactics and man management aspects. A Manager of a football club is someone who's job it is to make the signings he views as being most beneficial to both the squad and the club. AVB had every right to purchase the players he thought fit, and it's not his fault if the current players decided to throw their toys out the pram when they saw their status as key players was under threat by younger, potentially better players.

*Unless of course a chairman employs both a Director of Football and a Manager, in which case the DOF is basically a glorified head scout.

:)
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They didn't though, he simply didn't buy enough players to displace the established elite (who I remind you were a major reason why we won the Champions League). He bought Mata, Lukaku and Romeu. Of those, only Mata had any impact - Lukaku has been awful and isn't yet suited to the top level, Romeu the same. As you say, he had every right to buy whoever he wanted but he just didn't manage it. And he suffered the consequences of playing his philosophy without the players to do it with.
 
Obviously I'm not 100% sure what goes on behind the scenes at Stamford Bridge, but to me it certainly seemed as though that core of experienced players (Terry, Lampard, Cole and Drogba) didn't want him from day 1, and I thought both Mata, and Merieles played well under, as for Lukaku well he's only young and was probably a more long term buy than someone he expected to make an instant mark on the team. I'm not denying those 4 experienced players I said are still key players for Chelsea (minues Drogba, obviously) and will be for atleast the next season, but like all players they'll soon need to be replaced and the squad as a whole reshaped much like Mourinho did when he arrived.

RDM played bad football at times but considering he hadn't made any signing or had any time to properly plan out tactics for the long term I won't hold that against him, and the two signings he's made are both very good players (Hazard especially) that will, if played correctly, become key players for Chelsea's "new era". Although RDM still needs to make signings before the start of season (A Drogba replacement being priority) before Chelsea can be thinking of winning the league.
 
Adz95 said:
Obviously I'm not 100% sure what goes on behind the scenes at Stamford Bridge, but to me it certainly seemed as though that core of experienced players (Terry, Lampard, Cole and Drogba) didn't want him from day 1, and I thought both Mata, and Merieles played well under, as for Lukaku well he's only young and was probably a more long term buy than someone he expected to make an instant mark on the team. I'm not denying those 4 experienced players I said are still key players for Chelsea (minues Drogba, obviously) and will be for atleast the next season, but like all players they'll soon need to be replaced and the squad as a whole reshaped much like Mourinho did when he arrived.

RDM played bad football at times but considering he hadn't made any signing or had any time to properly plan out tactics for the long term I won't hold that against him, and the two signings he's made are both very good players (Hazard especially) that will, if played correctly, become key players for Chelsea's "new era". Although RDM still needs to make signings before the start of season (A Drogba replacement being priority) before Chelsea can be thinking of winning the league.
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Replacing Drogba is easier said than done though. Personally, I don't think we'll sign a big name striker - I think that the club think that Torres hasn't done well so far because he's been in the shadow of Drogba. Now Didier has gone, he can be top man and I think he'll prosper because of that.

In the event that we do try to replace him, you don't have to look further than Cavani to find a player with similar attributes to Drogba.
 
The Psychoaster said:
Adz95 said:
Obviously I'm not 100% sure what goes on behind the scenes at Stamford Bridge, but to me it certainly seemed as though that core of experienced players (Terry, Lampard, Cole and Drogba) didn't want him from day 1, and I thought both Mata, and Merieles played well under, as for Lukaku well he's only young and was probably a more long term buy than someone he expected to make an instant mark on the team. I'm not denying those 4 experienced players I said are still key players for Chelsea (minues Drogba, obviously) and will be for atleast the next season, but like all players they'll soon need to be replaced and the squad as a whole reshaped much like Mourinho did when he arrived.

RDM played bad football at times but considering he hadn't made any signing or had any time to properly plan out tactics for the long term I won't hold that against him, and the two signings he's made are both very good players (Hazard especially) that will, if played correctly, become key players for Chelsea's "new era". Although RDM still needs to make signings before the start of season (A Drogba replacement being priority) before Chelsea can be thinking of winning the league.
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Replacing Drogba is easier said than done though. Personally, I don't think we'll sign a big name striker - I think that the club think that Torres hasn't done well so far because he's been in the shadow of Drogba. Now Didier has gone, he can be top man and I think he'll prosper because of that.

In the event that we do try to replace him, you don't have to look further than Cavani to find a player with similar attributes to Drogba.
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Cavani would certainly be a quality buy, though Neymar would be something else! Although apparently he wants to stay with Santos for a few years, so maybe that's not an option for next season. Torres has been poor so far but that goal v Barca and an excellent Euros campaign should spur him on and get him playing like he did when he first signed for Liverpool. Although if he doesn't Chelsea need to look no further than a few miles north.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18719396

Goal-line technology has been approved and will feature from later this year... Firstly at the World Club Cup and then if it is successful it will feature at the 2013 Confederations Cup and 2014 World Cup. It could also be implemented in the Premier League during the season.
 
mrbrightside said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18719396

Goal-line technology has been approved and will feature from later this year... Firstly at the World Club Cup and then if it is successful it will feature at the 2013 Confederations Cup and 2014 World Cup. It could also be implemented in the Premier League during the season.
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Sods law will dictate that there will be absolutely no contentious goal line decisions to review in any of the test games. Hopefully the PL implement it ASAP, although I doubt they will start in the middle of the season due to inconsistencies.
 
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No wonder he got sent off and a ban recently...

Wait is this even allowed with the censored swear?
 
I'm not mad at Terry, I'm not mad at the verdict. I'm mad at the media, if this was a member of the GP in public and filmed and with evidence. Action WOULD be taken, not even the slightest action was taken. All I can hope is that there is a second opinion.

Again, maybe I'm too outraged over something but no charge (whatever the size) is disgusting.
 
I'm also disgusted at the totally different type of coverage compared to the Suarez case.

Zero evidence and an unreliable witness, but being a foreigner with a bad reputation=ban, over 100 articles, none of which mention the FA report stating he wasn't racist, or that Evra used the words "...your sister's c***".

Lots of evidence, but being 'brave Sir John Terry the Lionheart'=getting away with it, less coverage, fairer coverage that acknowledged he was provoked.

I can only presume the FA will be giving Terry an 8 game ban, in the name of fairness, as apparently neither were guilty and the hearings decided on a badly thought out balance of probability.
 
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