Football Discussion

[Ted]

Not the end of the world Eddie, at least we still have the Crystals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6N2vwe9Swk

I have a good feeling about this season.

Ian

Of course Ian, how could I forget about those lovely ladies! At least I can look forward to them when I visit Selhurst next season! ;D

Rumour floating around BWFC forums is that we are trying another bid for Zaha after failing with 7 million in Januaei

Zaha has signed a 5 and a half year deal, so he won't be going anywhere.

 

[Alastair]

I'm also disgusted at the totally different type of coverage compared to the Suarez case.

Zero evidence and an unreliable witness, but being a foreigner with a bad reputation=ban, over 100 articles, none of which mention the FA report stating he wasn't racist, or that Evra used the words "...your sister's c***".

Lots of evidence, but being 'brave Sir John Terry the Lionheart'=getting away with it, less coverage, fairer coverage that acknowledged he was provoked.

I can only presume the FA will be giving Terry an 8 game ban, in the name of fairness, as apparently neither were guilty and the hearings decided on a badly thought out balance of probability.

As far as I am aware, Suarez had the opportunity to take his case to court however declined and accepted his ban. As well as this, his initial story had more holes than a colander - first claiming that he said it in a friendly manner before changing his mind after the video evidence clearly showed otherwise. Terry, on the other hand, stuck to his story throughout - and there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove him wrong. Ferdinand himself didn't even hear it, Ashley Cole, the nearest witness, testified to having seen Anton mouth words to the effect of "black or Bridge" which back up JT's story. Even the deaf lipreader couldn't decipher what was said at the crucial moment from frame-by-frame analysis.

 

[Stelios]

Rumour floating around BWFC forums is that we are trying another bid for Zaha after failing with 7 million in Janurary.

Zaha has signed a 5 and a half year deal, so he won't be going anywhere.
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I did hear about that, but contracts mean next to nothing these days since football is a money game where buying out contracts is a doddle. Bale signed a new deal March last season, then has just signed another one and is still transfer linked. But I think that they are less tighter with lower league teams with money of course, but let's be wary here.

I actually don't think we'll go for him anyway after the "cheaper and worse" Marvin "the magician" Sordell.

 

[IanB]

Zaha has so much potential, his performance when we beat Man Utd last season was brilliant.

I have no doubt he will be playing Premiership Football within three years, hopefully with Palace.

The problem in football these days is a lot of players make the jump to soon, and end up sitting on the bench, or playing in the reserve team, which does not help them move forward. John Bostock is a prime example of this, 20 years old, and not really done anything with his career. If he had stayed at Palace, he would of had several full seasons of First Team football under his belt by now, and might be making regular appearance for a Premiership side, such as Moses.

Ian

 

[Ted]

I did hear about that, but contracts mean next to nothing these days since football is a money game where buying out contracts is a doddle. Bale signed a new deal March last season, then has just signed another one and is still transfer linked. But I think that they are less tighter with lower league teams with money of course, but let's be wary here.

I actually don't think we'll go for him anyway after the "cheaper and worse" Marvin "the magician" Sordell.

I think you're right, Ambrose still had 12 months left on his contract at Palace, but now he's gone to Birmingham. Contracts hardly mean anything these days in Footie. Although you could be right in saying that Palace sold him because they're a lower league team. He did cost us a lot in wages. On the bright side, Palace have now got about 1 Million to spend from Ambrose's transfer, so lets hope Dougie buys someone worthwhile!

Zaha has so much potential, his performance when we beat Man Utd last season was brilliant.

I have no doubt he will be playing Premiership Football within three years, hopefully with Palace.

The problem in football these days is a lot of players make the jump to soon, and end up sitting on the bench, or playing in the reserve team, which does not help them move forward. John Bostock is a prime example of this, 20 years old, and not really done anything with his career. If he had stayed at Palace, he would of had several full seasons of First Team football under his belt by now, and might be making regular appearance for a Premiership side, such as Moses.

Ian

I can guarantee you He'll be playing Premiership football by next season, Ian.....with Palace when we go up But I might be dreaming again

Defiantly agree with you about Bostock though, He should have stay at Palace instead of going to Tottenham. He would have got more experienced and be more ready for a prem club. I've hardly seen him play for Tottenham and He's been sent out on loan to countless clubs, where he's hardly played there as well! (Although he scored a quality goal when he played for Hull)

I think Moses is making regular appearances in the prem because he plays for a club like Wigan, where they need a good striker like him, even heard rumours that Chelsea are trying to sign Moses, shows how much he's improved in the prem since joining Wigan! Shame the same thing didn't happen to Bostock.

Just a random fact though, Bostock went to the same Secondary School as I did, When he was in year 11, I was in year 7! ;D

 

[Adam]

Quite surprised the RVP situation's hardly been mentioned on here. I think he's being selfish, considering Arsenal stood by him all the times he was injured and out of form, and now he's had a good season him wanting out just proves how selfish most players are nowadays.

Although I do agree with him on Arsenal having no ambition, replacing Nasri, a young and top quality player, by getting a 30 year old decent player on loan just proves that.

Arsenal should sell him this transfer window, and even if they don't he should be stripped of captaincy, no player that wants out should still be allowed to wear the captains armband. I'd say sell him and use the money to actually buy a world class replacement (Cavani, Pato, Neymar?), but this is Arsenal, so they'll probably end up getting Michael Owen on a free.

 

[Martin]

I'm also disgusted at the totally different type of coverage compared to the Suarez case.

Zero evidence and an unreliable witness, but being a foreigner with a bad reputation=ban, over 100 articles, none of which mention the FA report stating he wasn't racist, or that Evra used the words "...your sister's c***".

Lots of evidence, but being 'brave Sir John Terry the Lionheart'=getting away with it, less coverage, fairer coverage that acknowledged he was provoked.

I can only presume the FA will be giving Terry an 8 game ban, in the name of fairness, as apparently neither were guilty and the hearings decided on a badly thought out balance of probability.

As far as I am aware, Suarez had the opportunity to take his case to court however declined and accepted his ban. As well as this, his initial story had more holes than a colander - first claiming that he said it in a friendly manner before changing his mind after the video evidence clearly showed otherwise. Terry, on the other hand, stuck to his story throughout - and there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove him wrong. Ferdinand himself didn't even hear it, Ashley Cole, the nearest witness, testified to having seen Anton mouth words to the effect of "black or Bridge" which back up JT's story. Even the deaf lipreader couldn't decipher what was said at the crucial moment from frame-by-frame analysis.

As opposed to Evra changing his story several times, and changing the number of times Suarez used the word? And Evra getting to watch footage while giving evidence to make his story ore accurate?

To call Suarez a racist means the entire Uruguay team is also racist for their flag in remembrance of their dead team mate.

However, to call someone a "f***ing black c***" can only be racist.

But apparently, it's just 'banter'. To quote Chelsea fans, "Anton Ferdinand, you know what you are."

 

[Alastair]

I'm also disgusted at the totally different type of coverage compared to the Suarez case.

Zero evidence and an unreliable witness, but being a foreigner with a bad reputation=ban, over 100 articles, none of which mention the FA report stating he wasn't racist, or that Evra used the words "...your sister's c***".

Lots of evidence, but being 'brave Sir John Terry the Lionheart'=getting away with it, less coverage, fairer coverage that acknowledged he was provoked.

I can only presume the FA will be giving Terry an 8 game ban, in the name of fairness, as apparently neither were guilty and the hearings decided on a badly thought out balance of probability.

As far as I am aware, Suarez had the opportunity to take his case to court however declined and accepted his ban. As well as this, his initial story had more holes than a colander - first claiming that he said it in a friendly manner before changing his mind after the video evidence clearly showed otherwise. Terry, on the other hand, stuck to his story throughout - and there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove him wrong. Ferdinand himself didn't even hear it, Ashley Cole, the nearest witness, testified to having seen Anton mouth words to the effect of "black or Bridge" which back up JT's story. Even the deaf lipreader couldn't decipher what was said at the crucial moment from frame-by-frame analysis.

As opposed to Evra changing his story several times, and changing the number of times Suarez used the word? And Evra getting to watch footage while giving evidence to make his story ore accurate?

To call Suarez a racist means the entire Uruguay team is also racist for their flag in remembrance of their dead team mate.

However, to call someone a "f***ing black c***" can only be racist.

But apparently, it's just 'banter'. To quote Chelsea fans, "Anton Ferdinand, you know what you are."

It could be racist, if said with the intent of abuse. However, said with a questioning tone in response to his perception that Anton had accused him of saying it - it's not racist at all. And that is, according to the courts, the true version of events.

 

[JaykeAT]

I think this whole racism is being taken to far,not just in football but everywhere. I'm incredibly small ok,so when in an argument with someone they will go straight for the small card but if I went for the black card I would be an awful person,people in groups used to laugh at my height,if people laughed at someones color openly they would be labeled a horrible racist and I believe that is very wrong,if a height remark was made on a pitch everyone would laugh but a color remark is an awful thing.I don't mind being called small because that's what I am so why should black people be angry because they've been called what they are?

 

[Martin]

Wow.

So you're saying mocking someone's height is the same as mocking someone's race?

That's not even worth a response telling you how wrong you are.

 

[JaykeAT]

Wow.

So you're saying mocking someone's height is the same as mocking someone's race?

That's not even worth a response telling you how wrong you are.

That's not what im saying,im saying whats wrong with being told what you are,be it color,height,weight,size or anything

 

[Martin]

Because calling someone a "f****** black c***" isn't simply stating what colour someone is, it's using their colour as a modifier to suggest it's worse. He's not simply calling someone a c***, he's calling them a black c***, which modifies the term by linking being black and being a c***.

 

[IanB]

Any form of discrimination should not be tolerated, and this is one of my biggest issued with the kick racism out of football campaign, it should be Kick Discrimination out of football.

Ian

 

[Alastair]

Well, nice to see Ferdinand Snr getting away with blatant racism. I don't hear Garth Crooks, Jason Roberts, Clarke Carlisle and the JT witch hunt gang piping up about this - or maybe they think it is OK?

Just for reference, the definition of a "choc ice" is someone who is black on the outside but white on the inside. It will never and has never been used to describe someone as 'fake,' as the moron hurriedly tried to make out.

As John Amaechi, former NBA basketball player, psychologist and educator said:

"It is the idea that a black person is black only in skin colour but inside they are really white. It's a highly derogatory term. It's a dangerous term because it allows black boys especially but black people in general, to believe that there is a way of being black that is somehow distinct from being white. There are people that think if you don't wear a certain type of clothing or listen to a certain type of music you're not really black. It's a really dangerous thing. There are black boys who do less well in school because they believe by doing well there, they are acting white. To me, this is devastating for black boys and black people everywhere. It's a deeply offensive term with racial connotations."

 

[Martin]

JT witch hunt? Ha, try the Suarez witch hunt.

It is strange how United and their chums in the FA and media are keeping quiet about this.

 

[Moley]

Its sarcasm. He's fine. Or he'll be banned for footballing reasons.

Oh god, United's chums in the FA? Must be hard to type living under that rock.

 

[Alastair]

JT witch hunt? Ha, try the Suarez witch hunt.

It is strange how United and their chums in the FA and media are keeping quiet about this.

Even though Cole immediately replied quashing any suggestion that he might make a complaint, the number of people that I know have written in with complaints about that tweet to the Police surely warrants an investigation, especially as the Terry incident was instigated by one man who saw the footage. This is far more clear cut - it is clear racism and he should be up in court as Terry was.

 

[Martin]

Of course it should be. But it won't.

And oh, since when was David Gill not on the board of directors?

 

[Scott]

Norwich have apparently (once again) gone after Snodgrass from Leeds...

Leeds are turning into quite the feeder club for us. First Johnson, then Howson, now Snodgrass!

Source: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... -Snodgrass

 

[Moley]

And oh, since when was David Gill not on the board of directors?

He's one of 2 Premier League representatives, obviously Bolton are also part of this great conspiracy as Phil Gartside is on the board too.

Also, with the amount of things United players/staff are charged for that other teams' players aren't, Gill isn't giving them a big enough brown envelope.