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Moley said:
Blaze said:
And oh, since when was David Gill not on the board of directors?
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He's one of 2 Premier League representatives, obviously Bolton are also part of this great conspiracy as Phil Gartside is on the board too.

Also, with the amount of things United players/staff are charged for that other teams' players aren't, Gill isn't giving them a big enough brown envelope.
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Well, we'll see won't we. Whether Ferdinand's blatant racism is brought to the courts and before the FA - just as Suarez and Terry's was.
 
How on earth did Terry get found not guilty is beyond me. ???

Lets just hope he gets the same ban as Suarez and that he gets hurt where it matters to him, his wallet.

If the FA don't give him a hefty ban then it doesn't help their campaign to kick racism out of football.
 
RyanYoxall said:
How on earth did Terry get found not guilty is beyond me. ???

Lets just hope he gets the same ban as Suarez and that he gets hurt where it matters to him, his wallet.

If the FA don't give him a hefty ban then it doesn't help their campaign to kick racism out of football.
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I was considering not responding to this, but your incomprehension warrants a reply. He was not found guilty because other than him, no one heard him say anything at all - let alone anything racist. It was only seen by one man on TV, who complained - and in court, frame by frame analysis by a deaf lipreader was inconclusive, as the only footage obscured the crucial word.

Therefore, by the hundreds of years old legal system in this country - there was nowhere near enough evidence to prove that he had said the phrase in an abusive way, contrary to his own explanation that it was in response to Anton's perceived accusation. Considering he was the only person that heard it, that was the only logical conclusion - and was throughout. The only reason there was a trial was so that the CPS could be seen to be doing something, and an often picked on and disliked player like Terry was the perfect person to try and make an example of.

Fortunately, they failed and so he is innocent - cleared of all charges. If you were charged with something, and found to be innocent - would you want people all over you clamoring for your conviction in other ways? Or would you think that the courts had come to a fair and just conclusion?
 
So "f***ing black c**t" is not necessarily racist if said by white ex-England captain and media darling, but the ambiguous Spanish word "negro" is racist if spoken in England by Uruguayan with a bad reputation. With Terry, the "highly unlikely" possibility that he wasn't racist couldn't be ruled out. But Suarez, the likely possibility according to actual language experts was simply ruled out.
 
Blaze said:
So "f***ing black c**t" is not necessarily racist if said by white ex-England captain and media darling, but the ambiguous Spanish word "negro" is racist if spoken in England by Uruguayan with a bad reputation. With Terry, the "highly unlikely" possibility that he wasn't racist couldn't be ruled out. But Suarez, the likely possibility according to actual language experts was simply ruled out.
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I have no opinion on the Suarez case, I didn't really follow it not being a fan of either club. It seems as if the FA were just keen to be seen to be punishing racism, whether it happened or not. As the CPS were, however the more stringent legal laws had to be adhered to rather than the FA's own agenda.
 
Is football raciset ?? On bbc three at 9 pm could be interesting considering what has happend with John terry
 
What, like "That Suarez case was handled pathetically by LFC hope BR puts a lid on straight away as it cost the club a lot of points last season" and "I've not got a problem if he talks about his feelings and what he went through but he should leave Man United out"?

Yeah, what an arse. ::)
 
...and mocking the idea of a conspiracy by pointing out Rooney's ban.

Unless he's part of it himself. Blimey, how big is this thing?! :eek:
 
So you're saying there never was a conspiracy, then when a player points out there isn't a conspiracy because another player, a United player no less, also got banned for saying offensive words, you think he's saying there is a conspiracy?
 
The Barclays fantasy football is up if anybody wants to do the honours of making this years TST league.
 
SLC said:
The Barclays fantasy football is up if anybody wants to do the honours of making this years TST league.
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Beat me to it. I was going to leave the honours to Brightside. I could start it up but I plan on hosting something else this year.

Longeragan for Bolton will be playing every 2-3 games or so for Bolton as I can't differenciate him with Bogdan.
 
Not interested in getting involved in the Terry incident (Regardless of whether you think he's a racist, you can't deny he's a bit of a tw*t anyway) but it seems all this racism controversy in football has now made it's way down to amateur levels:*

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Grimsby- ... story.html

Now that is shocking, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a Scunny fan. That pretty much confirms my thoughts on both the club and Grimsby as a town. What GTFC are basically doing is condoning racism and also this must be bad for both the player in question and any other black players in Grimsby's team, knowing that the club doesn't care about racist fans. ???



* For the record, I am perfectly aware this sort of abuse exists at all levels of football, I was just having a dig at the cods.
 
If it makes national news they'll probably change their mind. It does say the prosecution are still aiming for the courts to give her a lifetime ban even if Grimsby won't.
 
Just thought I'd post this excellently written segment from Martin Samuel in here - quite relevant given people's opinions at the moment:

No direction to a jury has been clearer than all the instruction given to the Football Association since John Terry was found not guilty of a racially aggravated public order offence at Westminster Magistrates Court 10 days ago.
It is not enough for Terry to be charged. He must be found guilty. And no doubt he will, because here is the good news: an FA court does not require the same pesky burden of proof as a chief magistrate.
To brand a man a racist requires only a balance of probability, according to the FA. So Garth Crooks, Lord Ouseley, the sages of Twitter, the opinion formers, the pressure groups, all will be highly hopeful of securing the justice so cruelly denied by Howard Riddle and his outdated ideas about a case needing to be proven.
Terry did not swing in a proper court, so now he will be tried in one with less exacting standards. This is considered a positive development in many liberal quarters, although heaven knows why.
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The same Martin Samuel who championed Suarez's case and penalty, despite it also not being enough for a real court? Who decided Suarez was guilty from the off but defended Terry from the off and refused to even consider Captain Lionheart could ever be racist?
 
Blaze said:
The same Martin Samuel who championed Suarez's case and penalty, despite it also not being enough for a real court? Who decided Suarez was guilty from the off but defended Terry from the off and refused to even consider Captain Lionheart could ever be racist?
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As far as I am aware, he didn't "defend Terry from the off" - more pointed out the ridiculousness of holding a trial in the first place. A point proven by the outcome - which he poignantly predicted long before. He's quite entitled now, given his prior views, to highlight the fact that some people are clearly out to make a point and convict Terry.

As for Suarez, as I said before, I have no idea as I didn't really follow the story.
 
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