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Hansa-Park: general discussion
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Well I am personally looking forward to this, even more so if its Gerstlauer over Boring and Mundane.
It would appear people are dismissing this because of it being Gerstlauer, however I have thoroughly enjoyed Anubis at Plopsland and Karacho at Tripsdrill is ace. Both are smooth and offer great rides. Karacho is really well paced and the transistions between elements are smooth and graceful. (Obviously unlike The Smiler)
So if two of their newest rides went up with no problems, no major downtime, both smooth and great rides to boot, doesnt that show that Gerstlauer are a decent manufacturer? Therefore for me, bring it on.
However, if this was an Intamin along the lings of Expedition GeForce and Bizarro, I would be even happier
It would appear people are dismissing this because of it being Gerstlauer, however I have thoroughly enjoyed Anubis at Plopsland and Karacho at Tripsdrill is ace. Both are smooth and offer great rides. Karacho is really well paced and the transistions between elements are smooth and graceful. (Obviously unlike The Smiler)
So if two of their newest rides went up with no problems, no major downtime, both smooth and great rides to boot, doesnt that show that Gerstlauer are a decent manufacturer? Therefore for me, bring it on.
However, if this was an Intamin along the lings of Expedition GeForce and Bizarro, I would be even happier
Benzin
TS Member
Anubis does have a quite bad rattle at the end of the launch though (I'm not entirely sure why)...
Rest is exceptionally smooth though I will give that...
I think with Gerst the UK perspective is skewed towards the issues surrounding Saw and Smiler, where as very few of their other creations (even things like Mystery Mine) didn't seem to have anywhere near the same issues... Mainly due to the technology involved methinks (or lack of, since Saw's double station hasn't been repeated since, and most of Smiler's issues seem to stem from shoddy builders more than anything)...
Although it seems atm people prefer to hate on B&M these days moreso... I'm not actually sure why spending €25 million spent on a B&M could be considered a waste of money (something said on another forum)...
Rest is exceptionally smooth though I will give that...
I think with Gerst the UK perspective is skewed towards the issues surrounding Saw and Smiler, where as very few of their other creations (even things like Mystery Mine) didn't seem to have anywhere near the same issues... Mainly due to the technology involved methinks (or lack of, since Saw's double station hasn't been repeated since, and most of Smiler's issues seem to stem from shoddy builders more than anything)...
Although it seems atm people prefer to hate on B&M these days moreso... I'm not actually sure why spending €25 million spent on a B&M could be considered a waste of money (something said on another forum)...
Modern day B&M's (with the exception of OzIris) are just too calculated and controlled for me.
For example, B&M's Hyper Coasters versus the Intamin air time machines. No contest for me, Intamin wins hands down for me. Thats why I am quite excited to see a Gerstlauer entry into this category to see what they bring to the party.
For example, B&M's Hyper Coasters versus the Intamin air time machines. No contest for me, Intamin wins hands down for me. Thats why I am quite excited to see a Gerstlauer entry into this category to see what they bring to the party.
Sam
TS Member
Other bits of news for next year...
Come to think of it... why do we think this coaster is a Gerst at all? Just based on the concept art? Because apart from the four-row trains, it looks more like a B&M hyper to me, and Screamscape agree. It'd just seem really, really odd for Gerst to randomly try their hand at making airtime-based hypercoasters...
Screamscape said:
Come to think of it... why do we think this coaster is a Gerst at all? Just based on the concept art? Because apart from the four-row trains, it looks more like a B&M hyper to me, and Screamscape agree. It'd just seem really, really odd for Gerst to randomly try their hand at making airtime-based hypercoasters...
AstroDan
TS Team
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I'll be interested to see how well a Gerstlauer copes at 80mph.
It's not something they've done before and their track record is very mixed.
I am concerned for rider comfort more than anything else, we'll see.
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It's not something they've done before and their track record is very mixed.
I am concerned for rider comfort more than anything else, we'll see.
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Sam
TS Member
Let me explain why I'm very apprehensive about this project being a Gerst.
The thing I like most about Gerst is also what I dislike most about Gerst. Their thrill rides feel like no other, in the forces they put on the body as you ride. This isn't about roughness, or intensity, but more about the design of their track profiling and the effect that has on the body.
Gerst elements have this weird, ineffable 'tightness' about them, which even compact coasters from Vekoma or Intamin don't seem to have. The elements, especially the inversions, exert and odd pull on your body that feels unnatural, and in some way slightly off-kilter.
Like I said, in some ways I really like that, as it gives their rides a certain abstract intensity. You often finish a Gerst ride feeling disorientated, in a good way. For me, the weirdness enormously helps a ride like The Smiler, which without the bizarre Gerst 'pull' on the body would just be a dull series of inversions. If B&M or Intamin had built it, it'd be really boring.
The only thing I can compare this mysterious 'Gerst factor' to is the work of the painter Francis Bacon. You can't really describe why - and they look like they're made in exactly the same way as other paintings of the era - but when you look at them they infect on you an enclosed tightness, and an intense feeling of disorientation and claustrophobia.
Shut your eyes on Speed or Anubis. Even without the restraints and other tell-tale signs, if you didn't know the manufacturer you'd be able to tell its a Gerst, just from the unique way those elements feel on your body. That's why I love the Smiler, Saw, Speed and to a lesser extent, Anubis.
But a hypercoaster isn't about that. I don't want to feel unnatural pulls and disorientating, unnatural movements on a hyper. I want a clean, smooth ride with ejector airtime. Gerst have never proven they're able to do airtime, apart from that incredible hill on Speed. What Gerst are great at like I said above is making inversion-packed, tight rides that fill you with a knotted, anxious thrill. But I don't want that on a hyper, and I don't know if Gerst are able to build a thrill ride without that 'Gerst factor'. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm doubtful.
The thing I like most about Gerst is also what I dislike most about Gerst. Their thrill rides feel like no other, in the forces they put on the body as you ride. This isn't about roughness, or intensity, but more about the design of their track profiling and the effect that has on the body.
Gerst elements have this weird, ineffable 'tightness' about them, which even compact coasters from Vekoma or Intamin don't seem to have. The elements, especially the inversions, exert and odd pull on your body that feels unnatural, and in some way slightly off-kilter.
Like I said, in some ways I really like that, as it gives their rides a certain abstract intensity. You often finish a Gerst ride feeling disorientated, in a good way. For me, the weirdness enormously helps a ride like The Smiler, which without the bizarre Gerst 'pull' on the body would just be a dull series of inversions. If B&M or Intamin had built it, it'd be really boring.
The only thing I can compare this mysterious 'Gerst factor' to is the work of the painter Francis Bacon. You can't really describe why - and they look like they're made in exactly the same way as other paintings of the era - but when you look at them they infect on you an enclosed tightness, and an intense feeling of disorientation and claustrophobia.
Shut your eyes on Speed or Anubis. Even without the restraints and other tell-tale signs, if you didn't know the manufacturer you'd be able to tell its a Gerst, just from the unique way those elements feel on your body. That's why I love the Smiler, Saw, Speed and to a lesser extent, Anubis.
But a hypercoaster isn't about that. I don't want to feel unnatural pulls and disorientating, unnatural movements on a hyper. I want a clean, smooth ride with ejector airtime. Gerst have never proven they're able to do airtime, apart from that incredible hill on Speed. What Gerst are great at like I said above is making inversion-packed, tight rides that fill you with a knotted, anxious thrill. But I don't want that on a hyper, and I don't know if Gerst are able to build a thrill ride without that 'Gerst factor'. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm doubtful.
CGM
TS Member
I'll be quite disappointed if this does turn out to be a Gerstlauer, I was really hoping for a European Skyrush but unfortunately, everything does seem to be pointing that way.
My main concern is the track record of Gerstlauer vs B&M and Intamin.
Intamin - Their hyper coasters are regarded as being the best in the world with unparalleled amounts of ejector airtime. Reliability is likely to be an issue however.
B&M - May not produce the world beater than Intamin might but you can be assured of a high quality, high throughput ride which is fun for everyone with lots of floater airtime. It will be reliable and smooth for many years to come.
Gerstlauer - Historically have built low-cost compact coasters with very mixed results. Whilst some of their coasters are well regarded in their local area, none have earned the worldwide acclaim of many of B&M and Intamin's creations.
Like Dan, I'm concerned as to whether Gerstlauer will be able to keep vibrations under control at high speeds. Their standard train design features nothing to keep the wheels pressed against the track or to absorb shocks.
But who knows, it might be really good...
Gerstlauer track shaping does seem to be very matter-of-fact. Their loop shapes are more circular than anyone else's and they tend to stay fully inverted over the top rather than rolling out sooner. Also, the way in which each new element arrives seems quite disjointed. Rather than one continuous course, flowing between the elements, it feels more like someone just flicked a switch from zero-G-roll mode to Immelmann mode.
The effect is that their layouts seem a lot more cartoony and loopy than what we're used to and it makes for quite a bizarre, oddly paced ride experience. Personally, I prefer the B&M approach. It looks much better and it offers a much more refined ride.
My main concern is the track record of Gerstlauer vs B&M and Intamin.
Intamin - Their hyper coasters are regarded as being the best in the world with unparalleled amounts of ejector airtime. Reliability is likely to be an issue however.
B&M - May not produce the world beater than Intamin might but you can be assured of a high quality, high throughput ride which is fun for everyone with lots of floater airtime. It will be reliable and smooth for many years to come.
Gerstlauer - Historically have built low-cost compact coasters with very mixed results. Whilst some of their coasters are well regarded in their local area, none have earned the worldwide acclaim of many of B&M and Intamin's creations.
Like Dan, I'm concerned as to whether Gerstlauer will be able to keep vibrations under control at high speeds. Their standard train design features nothing to keep the wheels pressed against the track or to absorb shocks.
But who knows, it might be really good...
Sam said:
Gerstlauer track shaping does seem to be very matter-of-fact. Their loop shapes are more circular than anyone else's and they tend to stay fully inverted over the top rather than rolling out sooner. Also, the way in which each new element arrives seems quite disjointed. Rather than one continuous course, flowing between the elements, it feels more like someone just flicked a switch from zero-G-roll mode to Immelmann mode.
The effect is that their layouts seem a lot more cartoony and loopy than what we're used to and it makes for quite a bizarre, oddly paced ride experience. Personally, I prefer the B&M approach. It looks much better and it offers a much more refined ride.
Rob
TS Team
- Favourite Ride
- Steel Vengeance
A few more things abou the 2015 coaster taken from the mini-site:
That confirms that it will indeed be a Gerstlauer. It also appears that they are doing what many smaller European parks seem to do, opening the coaster one year and installing the theming the next. I'd imagine that it will be much more impressive once the theming is in place.
Also the latest Hansa newsletter has apparently said that the ride will have a vertical lift and a vertical drop.
Hansa Park said:
That confirms that it will indeed be a Gerstlauer. It also appears that they are doing what many smaller European parks seem to do, opening the coaster one year and installing the theming the next. I'd imagine that it will be much more impressive once the theming is in place.
Also the latest Hansa newsletter has apparently said that the ride will have a vertical lift and a vertical drop.
Rob
TS Team
- Favourite Ride
- Steel Vengeance
Here are a few more details from the mini-site:
Also, Parkerlebnis.de are reporting that the coaster will feature at least one inversion which will be indoor, probably a roll similar to The Smiler and Saw. They also say that the "roller coaster also offer a driving element in the shape of a heart."
Finally, Hansa have started to mark out the layout:
Hansa Park said:
Also, Parkerlebnis.de are reporting that the coaster will feature at least one inversion which will be indoor, probably a roll similar to The Smiler and Saw. They also say that the "roller coaster also offer a driving element in the shape of a heart."
Finally, Hansa have started to mark out the layout: