Nemesis: General Discussion

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  1. Thameslink Rail

    Thameslink Rail TowersStreet Member

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    I think either Nemesis will become too rough to enjoy and the park will remove it or there will be a nostalgia towards it that will keep the ride going. I suppose we are now coming to the stage where the teenagers of the 90s are becoming parents of teenagers who they may also bring to ride Nemesis
     
  2. Altonadvocate1

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    She is a B and M.

    She is tough as old boots.

    Whilst she deserves a major refurb from B and themselves, I'm not writing her off.
     
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  3. AstroDan

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    It's not because Nemesis is joltier, or anything like that. It's just a matter of age! It's like what Europa-Park did with Eurosat recently. Eurosat, when it closed, was still a great coaster. But, there comes a time when they have to pre-empt issues. This is very much what happened with Eurosat. They knew that if they didn't do work by a certain point, there would be too much fatigue in the track and trains and breakdowns would start to increase - and costs would start to increase.

    So, with Nemesis - it is riding great still. It's a brilliant rollercoaster - but they need to make sure they do the work on it required to give it another 30 years - before it starts giving them a headache.

    It's nothing to do with smoothness. At all.

    :)
     
  4. Ethan

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    Nemesis is still the 3rd smoothest on park for me (behind galactica and th13teen) so I don't see a reason for them to do any work on it any time soon
     
  5. AstroDan

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    You are totally missing the point in my above post. It isn't about doing work on Nemesis because it's rough. It's about preventative work. There will be hidden fatigue on the ride by virtue of its age.
     
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    Presumably Merlin will desire a way to factor in some sort of marketable upgrade to the CAPEX investment in Nemesis' future. An on-ride soundtrack would be acceptable, even cool.
     
  7. AstroDan

    AstroDan TS Forum Team Team Member

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    I am pretty confident that there are two rides at Alton Towers that the management team will respect.

    Oblivion and Nemesis.

    I cannot see major changes to what the rides are about.

    They are too iconic.
     
  8. WillPS

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    Couldn't the same have been said about Corkscrew to some extent? The signature ride for the whole of the Broome era...

    I certainly don't see Oblivion being any more or less iconic than Corkscrew was.

    Nemesis I accept has a presence matched in the UK only by the Big One. I don't know if that translates to being too important to remove altogether one day, but I hope it does.
     
  9. AstroDan

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    The thing with Corkscrew is a little different. By the time it was 25 years old, it was knackered. Old, uncomfortable. In fact,it was rotten. I worked on that ride in 2007 and the state it was in... was beyond belief.

    Oblivion on the other hand is 23 years old now - and if you compare the state of that coaster, and how loved it is, vs. Corkscrew's popularity at the same age...

    It also helps that Oblivion and Nemesis are workhorses of the park.
     
  10. Thameslink Rail

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    Would you say that Corkscrew was poorly made or neglected? What caused Corkscrew to become as you described?
     
  11. AstroDan

    AstroDan TS Forum Team Team Member

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    Neglected.

    If you take Python at Efteling vs. Corkscrew at Alton... the difference in their maintenance is/was crazy.

    What caused Corkscrew to become like that? Typical, long term neglect of assets. It's what Alton have always done.
     
  12. The Cardinal

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    I think the park will run this into the ground until it's no longer able to ride without major investments just like they did with Loggers or Corkscrew. Then knowing Merlin there'll be a retheme with a "world first" element or a new ride all together.
     
  13. Godscrasher

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    You simply cannot compare the Corkscrew to the likes of Oblivion. Corkscrew, whilst a bit of a game changer for towers, it had a sister model at Whitley Bay also named the Corkscrew, which then moved to Flamingoland (where their colossus clone now sits). The Corkscrew was an off the shelf coaster available to but.

    Oblivion, in comparison was a worlds first and an engineering marvel in both coaster design and construction. Oblivion led the way for other dive coaster developments throughout the world and is still regarded by some as the best dive coaster out there (even though it's short). This is mainly down to the ground work that went into the construction and layout because of the limitations at Alton Towers.

    Although Corkscrew led the way for Alton Towers as a Theme Park, it is in no comparison to Oblivion in iconic terms.
     
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  14. Plastic Person

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    I do not miss Corkscrew by any means, and I recognise it's status as an off-the-shelf, second-hand machine compared to Oblivion, which is still absolute top drawer in terms of engineering. However, in terms of popular culture and industry influence, Corkscrew was a game-changer and a massive deal. An icon in its own time, at least.

    Nonetheless, I still sometimes dream that lift hill noise...
     
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    I think it depends when you are making that assessment and how you define 'iconic' factors in too.

    I look back at Corkscrew 'as a ride' now with very little fondness. That said, you can look at either of them and understand, or recall that they both had a monumental impact on the park and the industry when they debuted.
     
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    All that stuff you mention is pretty irrelevant when it comes to how iconic a ride is. Oblivion is definitely the better ride, but in terms of its impact in popular culture I think they drew equal in their own time. Arguably Corkscrew enjoyed a longer period at the top of the bill.
     
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    I've not mentioned the actual ride at all. Although I did say that Corkscrew led the way for the development of the park, there was another one up North roughly operating just after the one at Alton had been installed and is still operating to this day at Lunapark in France.

    I do agree about the impact on popular culture though and that was probably chosen because of it's setting at Alton Towers. I guess the fact of the argument will remain, because we won't know how iconic Oblivion will be until it is (god forsaken) removed and replaced.
     
  18. Rick

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    Refreshing to see that on this forum - I agree, entirely. However, the rhetoric is typically that this approach is a 'Merlin thing'.
     
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    three words:

    inverted log flume
     
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  20. AstroDan

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    Indeed.

    Was long before Merlin came to town.

    Just how chronic underinvestment was happening at Chessington long before Merlin, too.

    Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
     
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