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New UK emergency alert system discussion

I do understand privacy concerns, but as others have said, it is nigh on impossible to not have companies store data on you in this day and age.

Unless you quite literally shun all modern technology and go off-grid to live in a field or something, having your data collected and stored in some capacity is impossible to avoid. You would be absolutely astonished by how much tech companies know about you if you so much as use a smartphone or tablet, use social media or the internet or even know and interact someone who does (I once heard a story about a man who'd never had a Facebook account in his life requesting the information Facebook had stored on him; they still knew an absolutely staggering amount about him!). Data is extracted and used absolutely everywhere in this day and age, so unless you exit modern-day society, move somewhere remote and cease all contact with civilisation, you will always have data extracted from you in some capacity.

With this in mind, I would personally have no concerns about being connected to a potentially life saving alert system that has already been successfully implemented in other countries. And as the government does not extract your data directly from this system anyway, as explained by others above, the privacy concerns here are far less pressing than in numerous other staples of modern day life, in my view. Besides, laws like GDPR make sure that the government and other institutions have to store people's data in a secure manner and not use it maliciously, so any data that is taken will not come to any harm.

There is definitely a valid conversation to be had about privacy, but given that big data is so prevalent in modern day society regardless of whether you sign up to the pilot or not, I definitely feel that the benefits of this alert system vastly outweigh the drawbacks. I certainly have no concerns about being involved in the pilot.
 
There is definitely a valid conversation to be had about privacy, but given that big data is so prevalent in modern day society regardless of whether you sign up to the pilot or not, I definitely feel that the benefits of this alert system vastly outweigh the drawbacks. I certainly have no concerns about being involved in the pilot.

There is no pilot to sign up to. Every phone capable of receiving emergency alerts is getting the message on the 23rd April.

As before, these alerts are the equivalent of someone shouting at you. If you don't want to see the alert you can turn it off in notification settings, but there is no need to sign up to get them, every phone connected to a network will get it.
 
Unless you have an old Nokia 6110 your phone is tracking you

I mean to be really pedantic, even an old Nokia 6110 would still be tracking you… mobile phone networks have to operate databases of which cell site your phone is connected to, and thus your approximate position determined within an area.

Some of those areas can get very small in dense areas too.

It’s well known that some criminals have been caught based on their phone location registered with cell sites… although admittedly it is difficult for people to access that data.

Imagine if a mobile phone operator had a data breach and revealed all of that information though!

So throw away your mobile phones of any kind too 😂

This is the real question! How much of my information is @Joel selling to the government?!

Vince Mcmahon Money GIF


I have no idea what you’re talking about… 😂
 
This might be a silly question, but I've noticed that when I'm connected to WiFi the 4G symbol greys out. Would I need to disconnect from the WiFi the get the alert? Or am I just talking nonsense?

With WiFi:

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Without WiFi:

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The old Nokias I don’t think had a GPS. To locate someone it was based on an appropriate location between the cell towers. Now your phone can give you an exact location wherever you are. It can pop up adverts for businesses close to you.

Anyone been talking about stuff and then adverts appear on their phone even though they have not searched for them? I’ve seen that happen quite a few times!
 
This might be a silly question, but I've noticed that when I'm connected to WiFi the 4G symbol greys out. Would I need to disconnect from the WiFi the get the alert? Or am I just talking nonsense?

With WiFi:

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Without WiFi:

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You're still connected to a cell site, however your phone prefers Wi-Fi so mobile data is switched off. You'll still receive emergency alerts as a 4G signal exists.
 
You're still connected to a cell site, however your phone prefers Wi-Fi so mobile data is switched off. You'll still receive emergency alerts as a 4G signal exists.
Thanks for clarifying Craig, I've always wondered why it does that.
 
The old Nokias I don’t think had a GPS. To locate someone it was based on an appropriate location between the cell towers. Now your phone can give you an exact location wherever you are. It can pop up adverts for businesses close to you.

Anyone been talking about stuff and then adverts appear on their phone even though they have not searched for them? I’ve seen that happen quite a few times!

They can do quite clever location identification just based on which mast you are connected to, as Joel mentioned it’s been used to prosecute criminals.

The police require a court order to get the data though
 
Crikey, how many people here worked in a phone shop or telecommunications industry before because there’s people who know more than your average phone tech person. 😂
This might be a silly question, but I've noticed that when I'm connected to WiFi the 4G symbol greys out. Would I need to disconnect from the WiFi the get the alert? Or am I just talking nonsense?

With WiFi:

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Without WiFi:

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On iPhones you have the Wi-Fi symbol next to the mobile signal strength symbol, so both are on.
You're still connected to a cell site, however your phone prefers Wi-Fi so mobile data is switched off. You'll still receive emergency alerts as a 4G signal exists.
Not technically true - I have an iPhone and an Android phone. When they’re both on Wi-Fi, if I check the settings the data is switched on. As a primary, the phones default to Wi-Fi for their preferred connection, but data is always switched on the device even when it’s second best.
 
Not technically true - I have an iPhone and an Android phone. When they’re both on Wi-Fi, if I check the settings the data is switched on. As a primary, the phones default to Wi-Fi for their preferred connection, but data is always switched on the device even when it’s second best.
Yes, to be clear by switched off I meant the phone is not utilising the mobile data. It's still there to be utilised when the wi-fi is out of range, or as is the case in some phones automatically utilise it if the wi-fi is of poor quality (Wi-Fi Assist on iOS, switch to mobile data on the likes of Samsung).

But ANYWAY, getting way off topic now 😂
 
Going back to topic.

For those worried about data breaches and all that. I would like to know what you think the government should do?

QaWe can't rely on terrestrial radio and TV broadcasters to solely do the job (in a protect and survive way as an example). Local services have heavily declined over the years. The internet has changed the way we consume entertainment and news. The information needed in emergency situation may not be able to filter through as it should. A nice leaflet through the door will get ignored.

In Leeds we already have an air raid style alert for flooding. Which when it first sounded caused panic and no buggee knew what it was for. A few years back in Scarborough a high alert went out for a storm surge. Despite high amounts of information on the news, not everyone would have got it. Caused a bit havoc in the town. Not everyone was tuned into the services needed.

Now, the vast majority of us are connected to service that they can use to specifically target an area and individuals to give guidance and information to help them deal with the emergency, and help the NHS, police and fire service.

I ask again. What would you have them do
 
You have all got me worried now, I might just get a mobile, or at least put a slate and chalk outside the cave for urgent messages.
 
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