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Secret Weapon 7 Discussion

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Can I just say, I don't think this will go Vertical when the park is open to the public. I honestly think they are planning to put the track up once it is closed, I think something about the track is what makes it the "record beater". Not a silly "trick track". Seeing as Gerstlauer can put up a coaster in 10 days and have it testing in 12 it is pretty impressive going. So it's not as if this ride will be pressed for time once the footers are in. Which they are going in now... I think they are counting on this going up when it's closed.
 
Jared said:
Can I just say, I don't think this will go Vertical when the park is open to the public. I honestly think they are planning to put the track up once it is closed, I think something about the track is what makes it the "record beater". Not a silly "trick track". Seeing as Gerstlauer can put up a coaster in 10 days and have it testing in 12 it is pretty impressive going. So it's not as if this ride will be pressed for time once the footers are in. Which they are going in now... I think they are counting on this going up when it's closed.
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I work on large automated engineering installations not to dissimilar to rollercoasters and I'll tell you there is no way you could build and install and test an install the size of SW7 in 12 days, not a chance.
12 weeks would be pushing it!
 
Gerstlauer installed this: http://www.rcdb.com/9119.htm in 10 days and had it testing by 12. It's about half the size of SW7. So double the time frame.

Takabisha for example was erected in 3 weeks. I'm not sure on the time it took to test that, but for a ride of that size and length, that's a damn sight faster than the average B&M.

I think we're all blowing everything out of proportion because we're all excited by this big new ride coming to Alton Towers, but to me, I think we won't see a single piece of track up before the end of the season.
 
You've got to remember that SW7's site isn't as accessible as some coaster sites. It's on a hill, there's hardly any space around it and there's a toilet block to build around. It will go up quickly no doubt, but not as fast as some coasters do.

:)
 
Rob said:
...there's hardly any space around it and there's a toilet block to build around.
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That's assuming the plans we have seen are accurate, which I doubt. ;)
 
Jared said:
Rob said:
...there's hardly any space around it and there's a toilet block to build around.
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That's assuming the plans we have seen are accurate, which I doubt. ;)
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I agree that the plans aren't accurate. However high points will remain the same I believe, therefore these will still be above the toilets. That's my opinion anyway.

:)
 
I just don't buy this "Towers are scamming us with fake plans" theory. Surely if they submit one design and it gets aproved, they can't just change it? The locals would go spare! :p
 
You could put the track up in 10 days no sweat, but what about all the electrics, pneumatics and hydraulics.
They all have to be cabled in and tested, trust me that takes a lot of time.
 
DiogoJ42 said:
I just don't buy this "Towers are scamming us with fake plans" theory. Surely if they submit one design and it gets aproved, they can't just change it? The locals would go spare! :p
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Planning permission is only applicable for the buildings, I believe.
 
The coaster itself doesn't need planning permission though as it's in the GDA. So technically they can build what they want.

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Can someone who made the recreation check the high point and speed on that to see if it's changed?
Also, the track length, which should be a little shorter if we count the indoor section?

If these are roughly the same, we have the same layout as shown on the plans, but if not, we have a new layout, yes?
 
Rob said:
The coaster itself doesn't need planning permission though as it's in the GDA. So technically they can build what they want.

:)
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That was what I meant when I posted earlier today. So, really, Alton could be just throwing us curve balls left, right and center and build something completely different and it wouldn't matter? Certainly makes it more exciting! Not that it already is like :p
 
I will put money on the track being what we see on the plans (indoors/underground section not included)
 
Just had a look at the ITN news story and seen this little interesting tidbit...

Whilst the world first element of the ride is still a closely guarded secret, the rollercoaster is also going to have other elements that make it very different from traditional coasters.
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Nice to hear the world first element isn't going to be the only thing that makes this coaster special!
 
Yo dawg, I heard you like gimmicks. So I put a gimmick on the gimmick, so you can gimmick while you gimmick.
 
The Psychoaster said:
I wonder why we continue to believe 100% that this is a Gerstlauer when the so-called "accurate" plans already look like being completely different to the actual ride - as well as the spider theming having no visible connection to the Sanctuary idea whatsoever. Who's to say that the noise report isn't wrong as well?
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X-Sector is part of the General Development Order therefore within the confines of the order Alton Towers don't need planning permission. Buildings are not part of the GDO so planning permission for the station and the large theming objects where needed.

The noise assessment was needed as to lie on that would open up the legal issues Oblivion now has with the Ropers. Other sources we have also confirm this ride is made by Gerst.

And Diogo I will happily bet £10 with you that the outside section of the ride is different to the plans.

:D
 
For those asking, some statistics about the No Limits Recreation, bearing in mind that the indoor section has no known layout and so the recreation follows this basis (and that No Limits is no way perfectly accurate).

Track Length is 1108.14m
Height from lowest section of track to highest point is approximately 32m
The top speed peaks at 81km/h

Remember to note that No Limits is not an accurate representation of the real life values but are a good estimate. Also to note, the landscaping at the bottom of the SW7 site is very dissimilar from that of the recreation.
 
Some of you are getting carried away here. The plans have been submitted to the local authorities, so it wouldn't be just enthusiasts' eyes who they were pulling the wool over.

With all the issues with the Ropers etc, they would not risk falsifying plans in any way - indeed there is a good chance that every application they submit be rejected. They simply would not do this in my opinion.

If Merlin are prepared to take an annual pass of someone who visits half a dozen times a year because they have lent it to a friend for the day (hypothetical situation), then I'd be more than prepared to go to the council and say that they didn't submit plans in an honest manner.
 
There is no pulling the wool over anyone's eyes, the roller coaster doesn't need planning permission which is directly specified in the plans. And if an accurate depiction of the ride gave away the "world beating" feature they would hide it. The final telling point is the plans submitted where a no-limits track exported to 3DS
 
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