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The Brexit Thread
I think that the Australian Bushfires charities are more of a priority for donations instead of supporting Boris Big Ben Gong.
Instead of Brexit, all the countries should pull together and sort out the Climate crisis before it's too late. I personally don't believe that we can stop global warming, but we still need to take care of our planet, it's not just about pollution, but it is also about the amount of trees that we are removing every day (1 and a half acres of rain forest is lost every second) which are the lungs to our world. Cutting pollution will count for nothing if we keep on removing trees.
At the end of the day, spending all that money on big Ben for a measly few minutes is just plain madness, especially when that money can do so much more good and make a big difference to those in real need of the money.
Benzin
TS Member
Would Farage have to do similar with his German passport?
Given the recent history of Britain as a whole, I don't think many people would mind renouncing ties to it.
Dual Nationality is a weird minefield of legalese though.
bluesonichd
TS Member
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The head of the European parliament's Brexit steering group Guy Verhofstadt has claimed the UK will rejoin the EU one day because young people will demand to be part of the bloc. "It will happen," he said.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-big-ben-latest-a9287906.html#post-1183291476
Not in my life time tho, or his
The head of the European parliament's Brexit steering group Guy Verhofstadt has claimed the UK will rejoin the EU one day because young people will demand to be part of the bloc. "It will happen," he said.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-big-ben-latest-a9287906.html#post-1183291476
Not in my life time tho, or his
Alsty
TS Member
Are you now able to see into the future?
speedy
TS Member
On a post from a teacher commenting on the state of this country when we can raise £200,000 to make Big Ben bong for Brexit, while she needs to purchase whiteboard pens for her students out of her own pocket.
Someone actually said "oh who needs whiteboard pens, the teacher should be teaching the students not the other way round"
Someone actually said "oh who needs whiteboard pens, the teacher should be teaching the students not the other way round"
Jonathan
TS Member
Words cannot express the stupid.On a post from a teacher commenting on the state of this country when we can raise £200,000 to make Big Ben bong for Brexit, while she needs to purchase whiteboard pens for her students out of her own pocket.
Someone actually said "oh who needs whiteboard pens, the teacher should be teaching the students not the other way round"
DiogoJ42
TS Member
Goes without saying, but just for the reccord, these morons do not represent everyone! I am ashamed to have anything in common with them at all.
Which reminds me of what someone at work told me: Her mum voted remain, but only because she was... shall we say, "confused"...?
By this racist old lady's reasoning, Europeans keep comming over here, so logically we must be kicked out to make room for them. She thought we were being asked if we wanted to physically LEAVE THE UK and be forced to emigrate to some randomly selected European country!
Words fail me.
Which reminds me of what someone at work told me: Her mum voted remain, but only because she was... shall we say, "confused"...?
By this racist old lady's reasoning, Europeans keep comming over here, so logically we must be kicked out to make room for them. She thought we were being asked if we wanted to physically LEAVE THE UK and be forced to emigrate to some randomly selected European country!
Words fail me.
From what I gather, the cost has been grossly overstated, seemingly for little else than baby want remain, but, I genuinely think that this should take somewhat of a priority simply as a symbolic act of national pride...I think it could do wonders for national cohesion...that said, I don't think they should be using public funding for this...that's worrying...
Danny
TS Contributor
National pride would be having a health service that isn't bursting at the seams we can be proud of.
National pride would be having schools we can be proud of where teachers aren't forced to buy supplies from their own (already shoddy) wages.
National pride would be being proud of having record lows of homelessness on the streets.
National pride would be having a state-of-the art transportation industry across the entire country as opposed to waiting two hours for an outdated and overcrowded Pacer.
National pride is not pausing an already expensive refurbishment project to make a racket once again that less than 1% of the country will actually hear in person.
National pride would be having schools we can be proud of where teachers aren't forced to buy supplies from their own (already shoddy) wages.
National pride would be being proud of having record lows of homelessness on the streets.
National pride would be having a state-of-the art transportation industry across the entire country as opposed to waiting two hours for an outdated and overcrowded Pacer.
National pride is not pausing an already expensive refurbishment project to make a racket once again that less than 1% of the country will actually hear in person.
BarryZola
TS Member
To be fair, I think it will take at least a generation to heal the divide caused by Brexit.
As for bingy bongy Ben. I'm not really bothered whether it does bong or not. That said, I think it's a bit of an easy cheap shot to keep criticizing the idea of it based on it being a waste of money. There is a lot of waste in this country and even £500,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to many other things. Just off the top of my head, that aircraft carrier that ended up costing millions or billions more than budgeted for, the restoration of Big Ben itself which has gone many millions over budget already, HS2 which will be billions of pounds worth of waste, the fact that we give so much money as people to the BBC when it's out of date and not needed any more and also the Royal Family. That's just a few examples off the top of my head. Bingy Bongy for Brexit just pales into insignificance really.
As for bingy bongy Ben. I'm not really bothered whether it does bong or not. That said, I think it's a bit of an easy cheap shot to keep criticizing the idea of it based on it being a waste of money. There is a lot of waste in this country and even £500,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to many other things. Just off the top of my head, that aircraft carrier that ended up costing millions or billions more than budgeted for, the restoration of Big Ben itself which has gone many millions over budget already, HS2 which will be billions of pounds worth of waste, the fact that we give so much money as people to the BBC when it's out of date and not needed any more and also the Royal Family. That's just a few examples off the top of my head. Bingy Bongy for Brexit just pales into insignificance really.
Craig
TS Administrator
What are we 'bonging big ben' for though? On the 31st of January we lose any say we had within the EU, we follow their rules without any say yet everything else remains exactly the same. To quote a recent prime minister nothing has changed.
If/When the current government achieve something of value once we've actually left the EU at the end of the year then by all means go for it. At the moment though, this seems to be a pointless waste of money celebrating nothing except a reduction of control.
If/When the current government achieve something of value once we've actually left the EU at the end of the year then by all means go for it. At the moment though, this seems to be a pointless waste of money celebrating nothing except a reduction of control.
I assume that your speaking from a remainers perspective...and it is a valid point, but try and see it from a leavers perspective...
It has been 3 years since the government agreed to leave, but instead of leaving, we just watched parliament rally against it's own people and rush through laws that actively damage our own position simply because they didn't get their way...they have been trying any dirty method they can to stop us leaving, and now...finally, the whole country almost, has come together to elect one of the few people who will actually let us leave...and soon, that process will finally start for (what seems to be) real this time...
For any leaver, is this not a victory worth celebrating (given the circumstance)?
It has been 3 years since the government agreed to leave, but instead of leaving, we just watched parliament rally against it's own people and rush through laws that actively damage our own position simply because they didn't get their way...they have been trying any dirty method they can to stop us leaving, and now...finally, the whole country almost, has come together to elect one of the few people who will actually let us leave...and soon, that process will finally start for (what seems to be) real this time...
For any leaver, is this not a victory worth celebrating (given the circumstance)?
Craig
TS Administrator
Indeed I was a remainer, but as mentioned in past posts I do accept we should leave, albeit in a sensible way. However, this whole situation over a bell being rung is absolutely insane. From a leaver's perspective, I don't see how there is anything worth celebrating yet to that extent until we have fully left the EU and we're under whatever rules we adopt afterwards.
The 31st January is a step to leaving the EU in name only, and nowhere near the end result. To me that seems akin to remainers demanding Big Ben be rung when Article 50 was extended.
And fair enough if you personally feel that way as a leaver, but the sound of a bell ringing does not encourage national cohesion in any way, shape or form. What will bring cohesion is the government delivering on their promise that Brexit will be a success.
If leavers wish to celebrate on 31st January, then do so in your own way. We don't need what is already a ridiculously lengthy restoration project being further held up and public money being wasted on something that you can hear on the news at 10pm every night.
John
TS Member
As someone who backed and continues to back remain, the idea of a "celebration" on the 31st is frankly insulting. We've already had 3 1/2 years of "you've lost, get over it". Given how divisive the issue still is, any official celebration would likely be counter productive and would only exacerbate division.
Anyone for Ode to Joy at 11pm on the 31st?
Anyone for Ode to Joy at 11pm on the 31st?