The Gay Marriage Topic!

[Simon]

I would feel uncomfortable being married under the eyes of God in a church when he doesn't approve of what we are doing (supposedly).

It's a perverse kind of god that creates homosexuality and then disapproves of if, IMO.

 

[GAGrathea]

Besides which, if the entire Bible is to be believed you've done a lot more that he'd hate too, as have all of us, so I wouldn't worry too much

 

[Bear]

Couple of things from the last few pages...

1. It's a very small minority of gay people who dress as women either occasionally or regularly;
2. Far less gays have "that kind of sex" than you might think;
3. The stereotyped obscenely proud, promiscuous, and generally girly gays are in fact the minority;

And finally:

4. Don't base your perception of gay people on what you'd find trawling the clubs trying to get in your pants.

Just a little moral housekeeping!

 

[joelpagett]

Couple of things from the last few pages...

1. It's a very small minority of gay people who dress as women either occasionally or regularly;
2. Far less gays have "that kind of sex" than you might think;
3. The stereotyped obscenely proud, promiscuous, and generally girly gays are in fact the minority;

And finally:

4. Don't base your perception of gay people on what you'd find trawling the clubs trying to get in your pants.

Just a little moral housekeeping!

Many people seem to think your a screaming homosexual when you tell them your gay, on the contrary I would say I am the complete opposite, faithful and boring ;-p

 

[Bear]

Couple of things from the last few pages...

1. It's a very small minority of gay people who dress as women either occasionally or regularly;
2. Far less gays have "that kind of sex" than you might think;
3. The stereotyped obscenely proud, promiscuous, and generally girly gays are in fact the minority;

And finally:

4. Don't base your perception of gay people on what you'd find trawling the clubs trying to get in your pants.

Just a little moral housekeeping!

Many people seem to think your a screaming homosexual when you tell them your gay, on the contrary I would say I am the complete opposite, faithful and boring ;-p

I love boring faithfulness. There should be an app where you can chat to other regular (LITERALLY normal) couples, and can unlock private photos of washing up they still need to do and other mundane tat.

 

[joelpagett]

Couple of things from the last few pages...

1. It's a very small minority of gay people who dress as women either occasionally or regularly;
2. Far less gays have "that kind of sex" than you might think;
3. The stereotyped obscenely proud, promiscuous, and generally girly gays are in fact the minority;

And finally:
I have literally just laughed out loud, instead of Grindr you could have faithfulr and earn points for how may days you can go without arguing about who cleans the bathroom!
4. Don't base your perception of gay people on what you'd find trawling the clubs trying to get in your pants.

Just a little moral housekeeping!

Many people seem to think your a screaming homosexual when you tell them your gay, on the contrary I would say I am the complete opposite, faithful and boring ;-p

I love boring faithfulness. There should be an app where you can chat to other regular (LITERALLY normal) couples, and can unlock private photos of washing up they still need to do and other mundane tat.

That sounds like a great idea... I think you should start a reward program like nectar points for every day you stay with someone, earn free night stays to places. Although the divorce industry would go down the pan!

Back on topic has anyone ever been to a gay civil ceremony?

 

[BigT]

I think the important word here is context, if you take what is said without reading the rest of the thread then it's meaningless.
And I mean come on do you really think I was expecting to get much support on here (one of the gayest forums on the web) for saying being gay is not natural, I'm not stupid.
But in the right context that is correct, does it feel nateral to be gay to a gay person of course it does there is nothing wrong with it.
Is it natural in terms of evolution? No, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

For those that say we have sex for fun not to reproduce, yes but that is quite a modern thing, the tools are actually there to reproduce.



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[Craig]

I've removed a number of comments related to individual members here that don't really relate to the topic. Please take any personal issues with eachother to pm - thanks .

 

[EuroSatch]

People need to separate the idea of a 'gay culture' from homosexuality. The 'scene' as many of people see it is the result of generations of being ostracised from society and has evolved into what many people see now. I've never been a fan of it, and it doesn't define me.

Yes, there are deviant acts that happen in the scene. But this does not mean homosexuality is a deviance.

The evolution argument is working on the basis that only animals that produce an offspring are natural. Overtime 99% of species have failed to succeed to survive today. Does that make them unnatural? It's survival of the fittest, not of the natural.

 

[T]

"One of the gayest forums on the net"

Sorry, what? I thought we discussed Theme Parks, more than anything else. You make it sound like every single member (or certainly the majority), are constantly posting about their sexuality.

You really do have some strange views? They are your views and are allowed, naturally. But they are strange.


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[adsyrah]

Back on topic has anyone ever been to a gay civil ceremony?

I've been best man at 2 8)

It always makes me laugh when people bring out the "gay isn't natural" card. I've known I'm attracted to men since I hit puberty. That's the way I've been hard-wired, so then why on earth isn't it natural. There will be an element of nature vs. nurture going on and I don't believe for one second that sexuality is as binary as people make out (it's very much a spectrum in my eyes).

There was also a study done recently (though I can't for the life of me find the article) that concluded homosexuality actually benefits society as a whole due to the time, effort and money gay people can put into helping raise and support nieces and nephews.

But regardless. I came out (when I was 15) when the age of consent was still 18. In the past decade or so we've seen SO much progress in gay rights that I am quite envious of gay kids now (whether they know they're gay or not) as all this change will hopefully make their lives that little bit easier.

All that needs doing now is getting rid of the term "gay" in schools as a negative jibe.

 

[BigT]

All that needs doing now is getting rid of the term "gay" in schools as a negative jibe.

I've always been quite curious about this a obviously gay means happy. How did the term get associated with homosexuals?

It's a genuine question as I don't know the answer, maybe homosexuals are just happier people so the term gay was used for them and it stuck.



Edit:
I think the point on natural is done now as I don't really think you understand what I'm getting at so let's move on.

 

[adsyrah]

I think the point on natural is done now as I don't really think you understand what I'm getting at so let's move on.

I get what you mean - you're saying that human genitalia evolved for procreation. And that if you look at gay couples, they go against their evolutionary aim.

But sexual attraction and, more importantly, love isn't a physical phenomenon. It's completely cognitive. Hormonal and physical responses to are a byproduct of how your brain reacts to someone. So for a gay person to be attracted to someone of the same sex IS natural as they have no control over it.

As for marriage and sex - yes, in the past marriage was a means for family, procreation and ultimately a male heir. But those times have gone from modern British society (apart from maybe the royal family). People no longer marry for a family, they marry because they actually want to BE with that person. Children are secondary to their initial reason for marriage. (I know it's grossly generalising it all, but I'm yet to meet a couple who tell me "I married so I was able to have a child")

So, to me, gay marriage doesn't in any way conflict with what I perceive to be the modern meaning of what a marriage is: Love, not sex.

 

[James]

I understand the view that homosexuality is unnatural in the views of some people. If you're someone who has been brought up with very traditional morals, taught that you're only normal if you grow up, have kids, marry the opposite sex etc.. or if you are religious. In those ways, yes, it can be viewed as unnatural.

Just to note I'm bi, so I'm by no means supporting that it is unnatural (I strongly believe it's as natural as every other choice we instinctively take in life) - I just understand how people would indeed have that view. I think it's a bit rude for people not to respect that given upbringings with bring out certain ways of thinking and perceiving the world.

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I've always been quite curious about this a obviously gay means happy. How did the term get associated with homosexuals?

It's a genuine question as I don't know the answer, maybe homosexuals are just happier people so the term gay was used for them and it stuck.

There is no defiant time in history where the word became associated with homosexuals. In the 1920s the word started to become more apparent, although the association of these words dates back to the late 1800s. This site gives an interesting note on the association of these words.

 

[Martin]

It's fine to not like gay people. Just don't watch films, listen to dance music, wear nice clothes or get your hair cut. They're obviously not for you.

Also, I find it hard to believe that people who don't like gay people or gay sex have never had/fantasised about a threesome or rubbed one out over lesbian porn.

As for marriage, gay marriage was ok in China long before the most of the west even had civilisation. It was ok for the Greeks and Romans, they accepted it and did pretty well for themselves as civilisations. But what did the Romans ever do for us?

 

[BigT]

I think the point on natural is done now as I don't really think you understand what I'm getting at so let's move on.

I get what you mean - you're saying that human genitalia evolved for procreation. And that if you look at gay couples, they go against their evolutionary aim.

But sexual attraction and, more importantly, love isn't a physical phenomenon. It's completely cognitive. Hormonal and physical responses to are a byproduct of how your brain reacts to someone. So for a gay person to be attracted to someone of the same sex IS natural as they have no control over it.

As for marriage and sex - yes, in the past marriage was a means for family, procreation and ultimately a male heir. But those times have gone from modern British society (apart from maybe the royal family). People no longer marry for a family, they marry because they actually want to BE with that person. Children are secondary to their initial reason for marriage. (I know it's grossly generalising it all, but I'm yet to meet a couple who tell me "I married so I was able to have a child")

So, to me, gay marriage doesn't in any way conflict with what I perceive to be the modern meaning of what a marriage is: Love, not sex.

Exactly, agree with all you have written.

I wasn't disagreeing with the right to marry my point was initially does it really need this much parliamentary time taking up to do what seams like a very little change (why can't they just change the wording without all this time debating, no wonder nothing gets done).
I then took issue with one pertickular post when I proberbly read the bugger wrong anyway.

I am right though, always am

 

[adsyrah]

Awww,a couple of my friends got engaged tonight - looks like my first proper gay wedding invitation is already on the horizon!

 

[Mike]

Great news! Incidentally, a couple of friends of mine did too

I can genuinely see registry offices across the country being a tad overwhelmed for the first few weeks if/when this becomes law!

 

[Meat Pie]

I understand the view that homosexuality is unnatural in the views of some people. If you're someone who has been brought up with very traditional morals, taught that you're only normal if you grow up, have kids, marry the opposite sex etc.. or if you are religious. In those ways, yes, it can be viewed as unnatural.

Just to note I'm bi, so I'm by no means supporting that it is unnatural (I strongly believe it's as natural as every other choice we instinctively take in life) - I just understand how people would indeed have that view. I think it's a bit rude for people not to respect that given upbringings with bring out certain ways of thinking and perceiving the world.

Even if the 'traditional' view is in of itself disrespectful? :S

People wouldn't give 'respect' to the argument that having black skin was unnatural, so why would people give 'respect' to the argument that being Gay is unnatural, regardless of it's origin?

 

[James]

True, perhaps 'respect' was not the best choice of words - I'm not that great with wording my views the way I'd like to (the main reason why I tend to avoid these topics).

I'm a person with an open mind on other peoples' views, so while I disagree with the views that homosexuality is unnatural, I do not take it personally when someone says this. It's their opinion and I believe that's fair enough. We all get brought up in different ways and believe in things differently. So while I do like to debate with people some issues within our society I never take their views in a harsh way.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that on this forum a few people take other peoples' views too personally, this often results in the insults that happen in near enough every debate that appears on here. Debates can be great and people can form some fantastic arguments - however I believe that by getting involved in a debate you should not take something so to heart and we should all understand that their views and beliefs are just as strong as our own views and beliefs. It doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong or we are wrong, that's all opinionative. I was *trying* to respond to the way in which some members on here take comments so personally.

I hope that makes some form of sense.